biosolids

[Banjo]

We could ship it into outerspace!

 

[dun]

How about burning it for use in electric generation

 

[cgsnyder]

Auctionmana should be aware that in the summer of 2007 a worker cleaning Milwaukee's sewage pipes, accidentally came across a strange smelling oily substance and realized it was PCBs. Further investigation showed that PCBs in superfund level quantities had contaminated the biosolids which had been spread on dozens of playgrounds and parks. The parks had to be closed so this hazardous waste could be removed and trucked, at great cost, to out of state hazardous waste landfills. No one knows whether any of this toxic material was also used in Milorganite already packaged and shipped to stores, since the incident was not reported until a month after it happened.
Sewage pipes are cleaned frequently. Yet PCBs in biosolids are not required to be tested by EPA. So we don't really know whether or not the biosolids composts we spread on pastures contain PCBs or the thousands of other unregulated and unmonitored industrial chemical compounds. With only 6 cows, why not use manure, clean compost, and rotate your pasture with legumes ( which fix nitrogen) rather than risk contaminating your land with biosolids?
cs

 

[medicinewoman]

Dun,

Some do burn it, but the cost of the energy to dry it and keep it burning far exceeds the value of the electricity produced.
Burning is simply not cost effective and then you also have the air pollution problem ( clean air act ) to deal with.
MW

 

[Banjo]

Auctionmana should be aware that in the summer of 2007 a worker cleaning Milwaukee's sewage pipes, accidentally came across a strange smelling oily substance and realized it was PCBs. Further investigation showed that PCBs in superfund level quantities had contaminated the biosolids which had been spread on dozens of playgrounds and parks. The parks had to be closed so this hazardous waste could be removed and trucked, at great cost, to out of state hazardous waste landfills. No one knows whether any of this toxic material was also used in Milorganite already packaged and shipped to stores, since the incident was not reported until a month after it happened.
Sewage pipes are cleaned frequently. Yet PCBs in biosolids are not required to be tested by EPA. So we don't really know whether or not the biosolids composts we spread on pastures contain PCBs or the thousands of other unregulated and unmonitored industrial chemical compounds. With only 6 cows, why not use manure, clean compost, and rotate your pasture with legumes ( which fix nitrogen) rather than risk contaminating your land with biosolids?
cs

I agree

Looks to me like there could be some way to compost it and let it sit.....you know how compost goes from a great big pile to almost nothing when its finished composting.

 

[Sir Loin]

cgsnyder

I do believe the question to you was “ what do you suggest we do with our biosolids?”

MW You go girl, I got your back!
SL

 

[cross_7]

cgsnyder

I do believe the question to you was “ what do you suggest we do with our biosolids?”

MW You go girl, I got your back!
SL

:shock:

 

[greybeard]

How about burning it for use in electric generation

That brings back some really bad 'nasal memories' dun. When they would "burn the *****ers", the smell filled the whole area and that air smelled like a giant beer and black bean flatulence--not to mention a tall black smoke plume that was a perfect target indicator for nva mortarmen.

 

[greatgerts]

cgsnyder

I do believe the question to you was “ what do you suggest we do with our biosolids?”

MW You go girl, I got your back!
SL

BACK FROM THE GRAVE?????? :help: :help: :help: :help:

 

[Bigfoot]

Biosolids is not just human waste. It is a mixture of human and industrial waste and does not belong on the pastures where we graze our cattle, or land where we grow our food. Every entity connected to a sewage treatment plants is permitted, every month to discharge 33 pounds of hazardous waste into the treatment plant. Here these pollutants, including thousands of other unregulated chemicals, as well as pathogens, are REMOVED from the waste water and end up, concentrated, in the resulting biosolids.

Entire prize winning dairy cattle herds have become sick and died after ingesting forage grown on land treated with biosolids. One farmer was compensated by the USDA because his land was permanently poisoned. The quality of milk can also be compromised, since many of the pollutants in sludge ( dioxins, PCBs) are excreted by cattle through lactation.
Those of us who have researched the use of biosolids strongly recommend that this complex contaminated waste should not be used on grazing pastures. For more information about the serious health and environmental risks linked to the use of biosolids, visit http://www.sludgefacts.org

Cgsnuder,

Just an observation-----with out the use of genetically modified organisms, pesticides, insectacides, and chemical fertilizer we would not be able to feed the worlds population already. With 1920's production methods, and technology we would all be starving to death. Perhaps treated waste, which must be dealt with anyway, keeps us all eating in the near future. If you have never visited a country were lack of food is an issue I suggest you try it. Hunger is a hard thing to look at.

 

[Sir Loin]

MW,
Did a little research for ya just so you know you are dealing with the head propaganda minister against biosolids.
If you would like to read more just google his name.
He’s like horse sh--, he’s all over the place.
SL

Citizens for Sludge-Free Land P.O. Box 38 North Sandwich New Hampshire 03259 [email protected] 603-284-6998 March 27 2010
Source: http://www.findthatpdf.com/search-16666 ... 06.pdf.htm

Use it as a renewable form of energy. The technologies exist, are being used in Europe, and even in some areas of the US. Converting sludge, which has a high Btu value, to electricity, district heating, and fuel would truly be a "beneficial " use of this waste.

Source: http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread ... 7#M1951277
Burn it!

The health risks from spreading sludge on land are much more serious than disposing of this waste on farms and fields. In fact, the methane generated from land-filled sludge can be used as a clean and renewable source of energy,

Source: http://www.heritage.com/articles/2011/0 ... 516245.txt
Bury it!

 

[Dave]

Go to most any other country on earth and suggest using biosolids for fertilizer and the answer will be.... of course what else would you do with it.

 

[cgsnyder]

The US regulations governing the land application of biosolids are more lenient than the rules of any other country. We permit toxic chemicals to accumulate in soils until the land is so poisoned, it can no longer produce crops. Other countries, that want to protect their soils for future generations, either do not permit the use of biosolids on farm land, or have much stricter rules.
Using sludge BTUs for non-fossil fuel, renewable electricity, heating, and cooling, is being done successfully and economically in major European cities. They use state-of-the-art gasification or fluidized bed technologies that are not like old fashioned incinerators. These facilities are efficient, cause almost no air pollution, do not smell, and are run in a closed system. Farm land is increasingly lost by erosion, development, and lately, climate change weather patterns. Land is a finite resource. Every acre should be preserved for feeding the world's hungry, not degraded with industrial waste.

cs.

 

[medicinewoman]

CS,
You seem to be having a problem distinguishing between sewer sludge and biosolids, so please read the following US EPA Biosolids defined.

Hope this helps so we can have a more meaningful discussion.
Thanks
MW

EPA regulates all sewage sludge that is used or disposed through land application, surface disposal, incineration, or disposal in a municipal solid waste landfill.
Sewage sludge is defined as solid, semi-solid, or liquid untreated residue generated during the treatment of domestic sewage in a treatment facility.

When treated and processed, sewage sludge becomes nutrient-rich organic materials called biosolids which can be safely recycled and applied as fertilizer to sustainably improve and maintain productive soils and stimulate plant growth. Permits are issued to facilities treating domestic sewage.

Source: http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/munipermitting/biosolids.cfm

 

[salebarn junkie]

The US regulations governing the land application of biosolids are more lenient than the rules of any other country. We permit toxic chemicals to accumulate in soils until the land is so poisoned, it can no longer produce crops. Other countries, that want to protect their soils for future generations, either do not permit the use of biosolids on farm land, or have much stricter rules.
Using sludge BTUs for non-fossil fuel, renewable electricity, heating, and cooling, is being done successfully and economically in major European cities. They use state-of-the-art gasification or fluidized bed technologies that are not like old fashioned incinerators. These facilities are efficient, cause almost no air pollution, do not smell, and are run in a closed system. Farm land is increasingly lost by erosion, development, and lately, climate change weather patterns. Land is a finite resource. Every acre should be preserved for feeding the world's hungry, not degraded with industrial waste.

I dont know enough to have a opion but when you say were more lenient than any other country i have to say your full bs. I assume you mean europe, i dont think they can teach us anything about farming. You cant even drink tap water there.

 

[medicinewoman]

Biosolids, sewer sludge, Biosolids, sewer sludge




cgsnyder
Sound to me like Euro is following the US lead, don’t you think!
If we follow them as you suggest, we will be like a dog chasing it’s own tail.

Why are you so adamant about not using biosolids for agricultural purposes ?
Does recycling biosolids go against your personal position on recycling?
Do you support or are you against recycling?
Thanks
MW


European Commission Environment Waste Sludge

The Sewage Sludge Directive 86/278/EEC seeks to encourage the use of sewage sludge in agriculture and to regulate its use in such a way as to prevent harmful effects on soil, vegetation, animals and man. To this end, it prohibits the use of untreated sludge on agricultural land unless it is injected or incorporated into the soil. Treated sludge is defined as having undergone "biological, chemical or heat treatment, long-term storage or any other appropriate process so as significantly to reduce its fermentability and the health hazards resulting from its use". To provide protection against potential health risks from residual pathogens, sludge must not be applied to soil in which fruit and vegetable crops are growing or grown, or less than ten months before fruit and vegetable crops are to be harvested. Grazing animals must not be allowed access to grassland or forage land less than three weeks after the application of sludge. The Directive also requires that sludge should be used in such a way that account is taken of the nutrient requirements of plants and that the quality of the soil and of the surface and groundwater is not impaired.

Source: http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/sludge/index.htm

 

[hshields]

Scientists have confirmed Alzheimer's Disease (AD) is a transmissible, infectious prion disease. (Jucker, M 2010, Soto, C. 2011, Prusiner, S. 2012) There are over 6 million AD patients in the US. The epidemic grows by a new victim every 68 seconds.






AD victims shed infectious prions in their blood, saliva, mucous, urine and feces. Sewage treatment for either Class B OR CLASS A SLUDGE does NOT inactivate prions. To the contrary, it reconcentrates the infectious prions in the sewage sludge, including sludge biosolids compost, being applied on home gardens, US cropland, grazing fields and dairy pastures, putting humans, family pets, wildlife and livestock at risk. Other prion contaminated wastes discharged to sewers include rendering plants (which process remains of 2 million potentially BSE infected downer cows each year), slaughterhouses, embalmers and morticians, biocremation, taxidermists, butcher shops, veterinary and necropsy labs, hospitals, landfill leachates (where CWD infected and other carcasses are disposed),

Drinking water is at risk for prions if it comes from a surface source (river or lake) which receives treated sewage effluent. The US EPA lists prions as a contaminant of concern in sludge and water eight times: :http://www.sludgevictims.com/prions/PRIONS-EPA-EMERGINGCONTAMINANTSINSLUDGEBIO.pdf



Renown prion researcher, Dr. Joel Pedersen, University of Wisconsin, found that prions become 680 times more infective in certain soils: http://pathogens.plosjournals.org/perls ... at.0030093

Dr. Pedersen’s research also proved sewage treatment does not inactivate prions: “” Our results suggest that if prions were to enter municipal wastewater treatment systems, most of the agent would partition to activated sludge solids, survive mesophilic anaerobic digestion, and be present in treated biosolids. Land application of biosolids containing prions could represent a route for their unintentional introduction into the environment. Our results argue for excluding inputs of prions to municipal wastewater treatment.” “Prions could end up in wastewater treatment plants via slaughterhouse drains, hunted game cleaned in a sink, or humans with vCJD shedding prions in their urine or faeces, Pedersen says” http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1021/es703186e

In the July 3, 2010 issue of VETERINARY RECORD, Dr. Pedersen stated: “Finally, the disposal of sludge was considered to represent the greatest risk of spreading (prion) infectivity to other premises.”

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency recently warned that plants can uptake infectious prions: “. . . there is a potential risk to humans via direct ingestion of the compost or of compost particles adhered to skin or plant material (e.g. carrots). Another potential route of exposure is by ingestion of prions that have been taken up by plants.” http://www.inspection.gc.ca/plants/fert ... 0626734953


Helane Shields, PO Box 1133, Alton,, NH 03809 [email protected] 603-875-3842 http://www.alzheimers-prions.com/ http://www.sludgevictims.com

 

[Bigfoot]

I don't think we are going to change their minds------------------I don't think they are going to change our minds----------------looks like weve reached an impass in the road. I wonder how they stumbled into our small backwards world. An upside down place were poop is not frowned on, but encouraged.

 

[Sir Loin]

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Prion diseases or transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) are a family of rare progressive neurodegenerative disorders that affect both humans and animals.
Snip
BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) is a progressive neurological disorder of cattle that results from infection by an unusual transmissible agent called a prion.

 

[Sir Loin]

Re:

I wonder how they stumbled into our small backwards world. An upside down place were poop is not frowned on, but encouraged.

The same way all special interest groups ( AKA dot orgs ) find a place to spread their propaganda of lies, deceit, and deceptions.
They constantly web search their special interest word (s).
In this case it is sewer sludge and biosolids.

I’m surprised there has been only two of them here. Usually they swarm like bees on a honeydew. I call them brown shirts or kool-aid drinkers ( as in - followers of Hitler and Jim Jones ).
All they do is regurgitate what they have been spoon-fed and never hold a conversation.
And they call and hide behind the word “ environmentalist “.

What is so funny about this .org is they are against The Clean Air act, against recycling, against reducing landfills and for creating more sites to be designated as a supper fund clean up site at a latter date.
Fact is, they are against everything true environmentalist promotes.

Go figure!
SL