Bet On Red

[fnfarms1]

So I’ve been looking at what to use for Ai this year. I got my feet wet last year, I want to give it another go. Ai’d 8 last year, lost 1 cow to anaplaz, got 3 of the 7. Used red angus semen from Mushrush ranches bull Icon. All were black bull calves, we were going for replacement heifers. Lol
So anyway talking with guy I buy bulls from. I mentioned liking Bet On Red but his price is pretty steep(300-700/straw). He goes I’ll do one better, I’ve got 3 embryos of Bet On Red for $500each, guarantee 1 live calf. Or 10 straws of Bet On Red for $150/each. He bought them before he got crazy high.

Other bulls I’ve considered are Payroll, Hollywood 79H or one from Diamond C simmentals. Hollywood is a Mushrush ranches bull I really like and this young bull from Diamond C is pretty impressive just not proven yet.

 

[simme]

What are your goals for the calves? Are you wanting to get red heifers? Bet On Red is popular with the show crowd. By epd's, he is a lower growth bull with Stayability (longevity) in the bottom 1% of the breed. I think his appeal is a fancy show "look". I have heard that he is small frame. But I have never used him. My goals for simmental are maternal with better than average growth and easy keepers. All the semen I use is in the double digit range, none of those triple digit prices.

 

[Dsth]

If you are hoping for red replacement heifers, you will only get black/rusty colored calves if you are breeding to black cows without a red gene in their genetics. I would never spend $300-$700 for a straw of semen. I have not personally looked at his EPDs but if he is for show cattle offspring, he probably is not a good sire for replacement heifers. I suggest talking to your AI tech about what your goals are and let him/her give you suggestions on sire selections.

 

[chevytaHOE5674]

I passed on a son of bet on red last fall when I needed a bull. His frame particularly his length didn't impress me.

 

[simme]

Not nearly as many red ai bulls available as black ones. In addition to the 3 major AI studs, look at Allied Genetic Resources. They have an online bull semen catalog, mostly black but a fair number of red simmental and simangus to choose from. These are bulls owned by the breeder members of the AGR group.

 

[NIdahoShorthorns]

Triple digits for semen semen should probably be used with IVF, and a near perfect female, to get a sexed embryo. At $300-700 a straw it's too easy to end up with a +$1000 steer, or nothing at all.

 

[fnfarms1]

All very good points. No show cattle here, I actually don’t care for the show world even though I grew up showing steers/pigs. I think I got blinded by the idea of expensive stuff I normally can’t afford at a discount. Normally I stay with 25-30/straw stuff.
I’d like rwf heifers but I’m just now getting my red angus heifers to Ai time. I use natural service first time and hopefully growth and maturity will help them settle to Ai on second calf.

 

[fnfarms1]

Diamond C Simmentals bull
https://www.dvauction.com/video_catalogs/12608?play=68

Mushrush Hollywood 79H
https://vm-zebu.redangus.org/redspr...ntSubmit_displayAnimal=T&animalNumber=4689521

 

[FlyingLSimmentals]

Agree with everyone on the Bet on Red bull. Mainly for show and not much else. I like the Rockin H Captivate J75 Red Simmental Bull.

 

[fnfarms1]

Agree with everyone on the Bet on Red bull. Mainly for show and not much else. I like the Rockin H Captivate J75 Red Simmental Bull.

I really like his looks and his Loverboy genetics but I’m making heifers I have to consider his maternal EPDs. He does well until his Stay is 12.9. His milk is 40something so I have to think cows that milk that heavy have issues breeding back on time. These other 2 I posted are more balanced and still have the looks. On the carcass side he lacks in ribeye and marbling but not my biggest worry for heifers making.