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This is one of the bull calves we brought in from the pasture. He's 13 months old and has been on grass and hay for the last 6 months or so. The only thing I really don't like about him is his butt.
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What do you think ?
 
thats a goodlooking bull calf.he is nice an long.i cant see what your talking about in the butt area,unless he just dont have that good wide butt on him.whats his sire an dam.
 
Thanks Big Bull. I would like to see more thickness in his butt. I'm going to feed him for a couple of months and see if he'll go ahead and fill out. Any suggestion what type of feed to give him ?
He is a grandson out of Havana. His sire came from the Four M Ranch. The dam is from Kolb
 
well all i could see wrong with him was that he needed to fill that butt out.id put him on a 16% pellet feed at 1.5% of his weight.an feed him like that for 60 to 90 days.you dont want to blow him up.to the point he crashes when you turn him back on pasture.
 
That's a good looking calf, are you breeding for that type of color? That color doesn't sell very well in my area.

I like my Beefmaster cross calves but I purchased a solid red bull with alot of solid color in his pedigree, I wanted to reduce the chance of getting anything but a solid color calf.
 
Is he a Painted Tiger as well? He has really similar markings to your #179 heifer on the other thread...

Good lookin' except on the rear as you know.

Love the pictures!
 
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Joy,

he is slightly weaker in the pasterns than I would prefer, you can see his hooves are already longer than normal. Just keep an eye on this as you feed him, more weight put on too quickly are likely to make the problems worse.
 
Not trying to be rude so please dont take it that way but if you feed him thats not going to help the situation because all it will do is hide his defects and all of his calves will be narrow behind if you dont like his but dont feed him I think that you should cull him if it is a major problem for you.The feed wont solve anything but how he look to you and me but his natural phenotype is what he'll pass to his offspring
 
manaftergodsheart413":3bku2zg1 said:
Not trying to be rude so please dont take it that way but if you feed him thats not going to help the situation because all it will do is hide his defects and all of his calves will be narrow behind if you dont like his but dont feed him I think that you should cull him if it is a major problem for you.The feed wont solve anything but how he look to you and me but his natural phenotype is what he'll pass to his offspring
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The feed I give bulls is not to cover defects. It's to give him the necessary nutrients to develop muscle and bone structure for him to be able to work during his lifetime.

If there is not enough quality forage for him to do this, there is no alternative.

Nothing wrong with feeding a bull to build stamina and strength.
 
manaftergodsheart413":3nhobzhv said:
Not trying to be rude so please dont take it that way but if you feed him thats not going to help the situation because all it will do is hide his defects and all of his calves will be narrow behind if you dont like his but dont feed him I think that you should cull him if it is a major problem for you.The feed wont solve anything but how he look to you and me but his natural phenotype is what he'll pass to his offspring
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to the trained eye of a cattleman its hard too hide defects even with feed. you cant build a ass with no foundation. no matter how much feed you pump in em
 
I dont know if its the picture or what, but that bull looks small, expecially when you compare him to the cows/heifers you posted (to me anyway) donna
 
i have a bull calf with that very same butt! i'm kind of disappointed with mine as well, so far.
 
I have heard that there is a link between polled and and less developement in the rear. I don't know if it's true, or even ever been discussed. He's a real nice calf, and he's got 3 more years of growing to do. By the time he's two, you'll know. Nice underline.
 
manaftergodsheart413":3jo7beee said:
Not trying to be rude so please dont take it that way but if you feed him thats not going to help the situation because all it will do is hide his defects and all of his calves will be narrow behind if you dont like his but dont feed him I think that you should cull him if it is a major problem for you.The feed wont solve anything but how he look to you and me but his natural phenotype is what he'll pass to his offspring
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Exactly.
 
fourstates":ux0cj1q9 said:
I have heard that there is a link between polled and and less developement in the rear. I don't know if it's true, or even ever been discussed. He's a real nice calf, and he's got 3 more years of growing to do. By the time he's two, you'll know. Nice underline.
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I don't know about the rear development but my brother raises beefmasters and says you give up bone when you breed for polled. Just my two cents.
 
donnaIL":lvn56r2e said:
I dont know if its the picture or what, but that bull looks small, expecially when you compare him to the cows/heifers you posted (to me anyway) donna
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I guess it's just the way he looks in the picture. I'm not sure what he weighs. Here he is next to an 1700-1800 lbs cow. Now you have to remember he is only 13 months old.

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birdog":17gf5xd2 said:
fourstates":17gf5xd2 said:
I have heard that there is a link between polled and and less developement in the rear. I don't know if it's true, or even ever been discussed. He's a real nice calf, and he's got 3 more years of growing to do. By the time he's two, you'll know. Nice underline.
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I don't know about the rear development but my brother raises beefmasters and says you give up bone when you breed for polled. Just my two cents.
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He wasn't born polled he was dehorned the week we brought him home. But I've heard that also about polled.
Last weekend we went and looked at 12 bull calves in a pasture. They have been there since they were weaned. All are a month or so of age.( a year old) Just one out the whole bunch was huge. He weighed over 1300 lbs. And he was polled. I wish I would have takened a picture of him. He won't be put in a sale because of his sheath. The guy told me he was a high 3.
There were 2 more that were real nice.The rest were something I would have takened to the sale barn. Some were polled some were not. A couple of the polled ones really looked feminine,finer bones and small head. Then a couple of them looked fuller. They were the same as the ones with horns.
So I don't agree that with all polled you lose bones and what not. I think its all in their genetics.
 
MikeC":2i0fmxms said:
manaftergodsheart413":2i0fmxms said:
Not trying to be rude so please dont take it that way but if you feed him thats not going to help the situation because all it will do is hide his defects and all of his calves will be narrow behind if you dont like his but dont feed him I think that you should cull him if it is a major problem for you.The feed wont solve anything but how he look to you and me but his natural phenotype is what he'll pass to his offspring
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The feed I give bulls is not to cover defects. It's to give him the necessary nutrients to develop muscle and bone structure for him to be able to work during his lifetime.

If there is not enough quality forage for him to do this, there is no alternative.

Nothing wrong with feeding a bull to build stamina and strength.
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This is great and I'm not against what you do or what you feel as to how cattle should be developed but in my opinion a cow should not have to be supplemented unless there is little or no grass or snow covering the ground you have to think a cow is a natural forage who's job is to take low quality grass and turn it into rich protein and feeding will hender a cows ability to do so
 
wish mine could turn low quality grass into protein. i guess they do when it make's it out the sour end.. he's talking about bull development.. not working moma cows
 

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