Bad horse injury.

Stepper

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I saw a horse today that had spooked and run through some barbed wire. The wire had cut through the horse's right sholder right where it come's out of its chest. It had cut to the bone. The whole muscle was hanging out. You could take both fist and stick into the whole where the wound is. When i got within 20 foot of the horse i smell the odor of decayed flesh. Only worse. I have never in my life smelled anything like it. I have never smelled gain green but i am almost sure that was it.

The owner of the horse said he had a vet out to look at it and the vet had given him medications for it and said that the horse would pull through it. But i find that hard to beleave. I really have my doubt's as to if this man had a vet out. He said the vet told him it would leave a bad scar but it would heal up fine and he would be able to rid the horse again. I have seen some bad injuries to horse's but nothing like that.

They was using a water hose to wash the wound ( gash, hole) out and the animal just stood there. I am sure it had so much nerve damage that it could not feel anything. But they was using their thumb to hold over the end of the hose to make the water spray up into the wound. That alone would be enough to get infection started. Which i think was already started from the smell. Although you could not see any puse or dead looking matter in the wound. The flesh looked dark gray and you could see the legiments and other stringy stuff mangled in the wound.

The owner told me the vet would not sew it up. Which i could beleave that because there would be no way for the sticthes to hold. I mean we are talking a good 5 to 6 inch deep hole about 5 to 6 inche's in diameter. Maybe staple's would hold the muscle back in. I doubt it though.

What really need's to be done is for the horse to be shot. And i told the owner that would probably be the best thing to do.

Has anybody ever seen gain green ? Does it have a percuilar odor of it's own. I mean i am not weak hearted. I have hunted, trapped burried dead animal's. And been arround decayed carcauses of all kind's. Dead animal's with magot's and all. But i have never in my life smelled such a fowl odor as this. A hour after seeing this i could not hardly eat my dinner for thinking about that smell.
 
Mister Stepper im gona be straight wit ya! go get yur six shooter take a ride over there an put a bullet in em! then go to were that sufferen pony is an put the dang thing out o its misery! i aint got me no use fur a man that lets his pony suffer cus hes to dang dumb to do somthen about it. :mad:
 
A: no horse should ever be penned with barbed or slick wire, when a good hot string will do better. :mad: :mad: :mad:

B: Shooting is not the answer yet without knowing what really is going on. Without seeing the wound, I have a hard time believing it could not be closed with a good drain put in it. But I'm not a Vet and will not second guess one. The fact that the person is taking the time to wash the wound says that at least he is looking to it. The fact that there is no puss and he is washing it means there may be no infection. An open wound like that will stink bad just because you will have some dead flesh. That may be why the Vet did not want to stitch it, if the flesh was already dying, the Vet would just have to cut that part off and stitch the fresh flesh.

C: problems, infection, proud flesh, fly strike, nerve damage, premanant muscle damage = lameness. I've seen bad wounds that the horse made a complete recovery and you would never know it had been injured, on the other hand, I seen a small injury to the fetlock cause permanant lameness (until the nerve was blocked).

Call my Vet friend... his advise get a second opinion.


My opinion, the wound should be able to be closed and a drain put in, the horse can wear a biting muzzle (halter) to keep it from tearing out the drain.

Never have a horse where the can get hurt on somthing do to poor management... because the will get hurt...everytime.

JMO,
Alan
 
Only Beef,

I am going to put my rifle in the truck and go by in the morning and offer to put that poor horse out of it's misery.

You know Mr. Beef the sad part about this whole thing is that the man who owns this horse is one of the most knowledgeable person i know of when it come's to breaking and training horse's. And he is about as much of a cowboy as any man i know. His only fault and you really can not hold that against him is that he is dirt poor and he really can not afford to take care of his animal's like he should. He will spend every dime he has buying feed. But all he can really afford is just what it takes to keep them alive and in half way fair condidion. But at the same time it really surprise's me that he did not shoot this animal when this first happened a few days ago. He is getting older now ( about 60 i guess) and i hate to say it. I think he is getting soft hearted. Nothing wrong with that. But appear's to be affecting his judgement.

The last thing i told him before i left today was to not let that horse suffer. And he was almost teary eyed and he said he would not let a horse of his suffer. But age and such a hard life has taken it's toll on this fella. Because just 3 year's ago you would have never seen this side of this guy. He has always just been happy go lucky no matter how tuff things ever got. And always tuff as leather. I told him one time he should write a book on breaking and training horse's. He just laughed. He would not know how to write a book anyway. But his method's of handling horse's come from the old school. And i dont think there is a horse alive that he and his two boys could not break of nail shoes on. It is just sad to see a man of his caliber going down hill the way he is. I guess we all will go down that same road some day.

But Mr. Beef, with that said. Have you ever smelled decaying flesh of any kind with the type of smell like i described in my earlier post ?
 
Stepper don't go jumping the gun, if the guy is as knowledgable as you claim the horse may be alright. The wound is in as good of a spot as you could hope for a wound like that to be.

I remember a Kentucky Derby winner, I can't remember the name, I want to say Afirmed but maybe not. Anyway world class, big big $ TB stallion (Derby Winner) running in the pasture, no one took the time to repair a broken fence rail, ran it through his chest and died on the spot. Multi Million $ poor management injury.

Alan
 
Yes mister stepper i done smelt it to many times! i feel bad fur the feller now that ya tell me about em but it dont change the facts now does it. maybe dont put a bullet in em thou im 68 my self and could start aheaden his way any day. ;-)
 
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Alan,

I agree with you and this fella has forgot more about horse's than most people could hope to learn in a life time. And horse's are his life.

That is what makes it so darn hard to know what really to do. We have a old foudation bred quarter horse ( war leo blood line ) that my wife had before i met her. Anyway she let a fella who after hearing about him did not know what he was doing break this horse. When he was finished breaking him and was going to bring him back to her. He could not get the colt to load in the trailer. So him and a buddy of his run a rope from the horse's halter through the back of the trailer on out the front so he could pull this horse up into the trailer. Well to make a long story short the horse tring to brace his self slid his front legs underneath the back of the trailer. Riping flesh and hid down to the bone on both forn legs from just above the knee down. Now this was 4 or 5 years before i ever met my wife. Anyway she said the vet wanted to put this horse down. And they wound up sticthing him back together and keeping him stalled for 3 months. She said the wounds was terriable. But anyhow he healed up and made a fine recovery. If you did not know the story about him you would never know it happened to him.

He is a great big good looking gelding. Our 10 year girl old rodeo's on him and would not take anything in the world for him.

And i have had allot of roper's wanting to buy him bad. This gelding is stout enough you could drag bull's arround on him.
 
This post is not going to win me any popularity points, but so be it. Yes, I've seen wounds like that before on horses, many times actually (a few of them ours, most of them someone elses), and - believe it or not - the horse has come through just fine, although with a nasty scar on his/her shoulder. As I understand it, the reason it can't be sutured or stapled is because the action of the shoulder would rip the sutures/staples out and cause even more damage, plus any subsequent infection would not be able to drain. I'm not going to argue that horses should not be penned with barbed wire but, in this area (and I suspect a lot of others as well), horses don't make money - cattle do - and everything is geared towards the cattle. That does not mean I agree with that mentality, simply that it's the reality. Just my thoughts.
 
I agree with you msscamp. Might not win me any popularity points either, but there it is. :lol:

I saw a horse recently that was shot with a shotgun (long story) as a yearling and suffered considerable damage to the shoulder. It looked like a mess but functioned normally. Horse was 18 y/o or so, one owner her entire life - who is a vet. The horse was ridden English, and I actually saw this horse jumping 3' without problems.

I've seen horses go through barbed wire fences and rip open their chest - had it stitched, a drain tube put in, etc. Horse healed...vet bill had to be enormous though.

A lot of how serious an injury ends up being is completely related to where on the body it is. A simple wire cut around the cannon bone, cutting through tendons, can permanently end a horse's career, whereas some of those shoulder wounds heal (although maybe not in a way that pleases the eye) and the animal is normal afterwards.

That all said, most things can be fixed if given prompt attention. The injuries where vet attention comes the next day or several days later usually result in worse scarring. Esp in cases where there's a flap of skin or muscle that's only barely attached, and blood supply to the injured area is nonexistant. Sounds a bit like what has happened in this case. If that happens, no amount of stitching is going to put things back together as the tissue is dead.

At this point I doubt there's anything that can be done for the animal other than pain killers and heavy antibiotics as well as making sure the wound is clean. If the horse had been seen immediately it may have been able to be stitched and a drain tube put in to allow drainage and healing. Hard to say without seeing the animal and too late for wishing at this point.

Can't say as to what's the best thing to do in this case...just rambling, is all. As I read it it's not your animal anyways so that changes things too. Do you step in or not - and I can't answer that.
 
Thank you, Milkmaid, I really appreciate your response. :heart: I can just imagine some of the responses my post is going to get, but that's the breaks.
 
those shoulder wounds are tough too heal up even under the best care. but if i didnt have a nickle i would sew it up myself before he would run around like that.but if that muscle has decayed he is probably done for
 
ONLY-BEEF":1tz90g78 said:
Son read mister ALACOWMANs letter agian! He is right on the money with this one!

In the first place, I'm female, that tends to blow your 'son' comment out of the water. :lol: :lol: :lol: In the second place, while I'm absolutely sure Alacowman's response is based on his experience (and I completely respect that experience), his experience has not been mine - but I also realize we live in two completely different areas with different climates and different problems when it comes to injuries of this nature. In the 3rd place, while I haven't seen this particular horse, I have seen quite a number of horses with comparable injuries and they all came through those injuries fine, remained sound, and went on to provide years of use - although they had a nasty looking scar on said shoulder. I guess it all comes down to the fact that each situation is different - even if they are the same type of injury - and must be treated accordingly. Just my thoughts.
 
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa!

Come on Onlybeef, HER USER NAME STARTS WITH MS.

Hello!

Don't knock somone elses methods just because you don't agree with them. The little lady there has been around horses for years.
 
cypressfarms":1p6y20qt said:
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa!

Come on Onlybeef, HER USER NAME STARTS WITH MS.

Hello!

Don't knock somone elses methods just because you don't agree with them. The little lady there has been around horses for years.

:lol: Hey cypressfarms have you an msscamp been hitting the sauce a bit tonight? ;-) I have a feeling only-beef was refuring to stepper when he said "Son read mister ALACOWMANs letter again! He is right on the money with this one!" after all it was stepper who asked the question.
By the way I agree. ALACOWMAN is right. If the wound is open and the flesh has started to decayed there is little hope of a recovery. There are a couple of other factor to remember here. One of which is that the owner is not useing a sterile technique to clean the wound. Another of which is that the owner is low on cash which means that he may not be able to buy the amount of antibiotc needed to stop the infection.
 
S.R.R.":csqlw8ud said:
cypressfarms":csqlw8ud said:
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa!

Come on Onlybeef, HER USER NAME STARTS WITH MS.

Hello!

Don't knock somone elses methods just because you don't agree with them. The little lady there has been around horses for years.

:lol: Hey cypressfarms have you an msscamp been hitting the sauce a bit tonight? ;-) I have a feeling only-beef was refuring to stepper when he said "Son read mister ALACOWMANs letter again!

Maybe.......I'd rather hit the sauce!
 
cypressfarms":211carkb said:
S.R.R.":211carkb said:
cypressfarms":211carkb said:
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa!

Come on Onlybeef, HER USER NAME STARTS WITH MS.

Hello!

Don't knock somone elses methods just because you don't agree with them. The little lady there has been around horses for years.

:lol: Hey cypressfarms have you an msscamp been hitting the sauce a bit tonight? ;-) I have a feeling only-beef was refuring to stepper when he said "Son read mister ALACOWMANs letter again!

Maybe.......I'd rather hit the sauce!

By the way what kind of sauce are we talking about? For me its a nip of the old CC! :drink: ;-)
 
S.R.R.":39u2c5o5 said:
cypressfarms":39u2c5o5 said:
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa!

Come on Onlybeef, HER USER NAME STARTS WITH MS.

Hello!

Don't knock somone elses methods just because you don't agree with them. The little lady there has been around horses for years.

:lol: Hey cypressfarms have you an msscamp been hitting the sauce a bit tonight? ;-) I have a feeling only-beef was refuring to stepper when he said "Son read mister ALACOWMANs letter again! He is right on the money with this one!" after all it was stepper who asked the question.

You may be right, but I don't think so as he had already replied to all of Stepper's posts. I'm the one that is in disagreement, with milkmaid agreeing with at least part of what I said. Perhaps it is you who has been 'hitting the sauce', as you so eloquently put it, and it's clouding your ability to read and comprehend?

By the way I agree. ALACOWMAN is right. If the wound is open and the flesh has started to decayed there is little hope of a recovery. There are a couple of other factor to remember here. One of which is that the owner is not useing a sterile technique to clean the wound. Another of which is that the owner is low on cash which means that he may not be able to buy the amount of antibiotc needed to stop the infection.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I stand by what I've seen. Just my thoughts
 
In reference to a wound of this type being opened or closed. Forget about the money factor.

My opinion is the wound should be closed, with a or multiple drains in it. Stall rest for the time it take to pull the drains out and stitches to heal, 14 days or so, than restricted activity. Biting muzzle if needed to keep tubes and stitches in. If flesh is starting to decay, because I didn't paid attention to my horse, cut the bad flesh off and stitch good flesh. And never put my horse is barbed wire again, because this happens too often. I have a mare, who before I bought her, got her head wrapped up in barbed wire, no flesh damage but a scare all around her upper neck. She is sorrel, the hair on the wound is grey. While this accident should never have happen, we do call her "frankin horse" in that she looks like she had a head transplant. Barbed wire and horses is truly an accident waiting to happen.

JMO,
Alan
 
msscamp my letter was to mister stepper! he is the feller that asked us the questen. it is my fault fur not putting mister stepper at the start of my letter. when i said son i thought that folks would know who im writen to. you are a lady msscamp i would not call you a son! :roll: i dont see how a lady would think a feller was writen to her when he starts off his letter with son! :roll:

just so you know mister stepper when i said son it was not ment with no disrespect!
 

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