Are wild animals ever tame?

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Bear gave off no reasons for concern before trainer's death


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BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) - The grizzly bear that wrestled Will Ferrell's character in the recent film "Semi-Pro" seemed to obediently follow cues - which made its killing of its trainer with a bite to the neck all the more stunning.

Three experienced handlers were working with the grizzly Tuesday at the Predators in Action wild animal training center when the bear attacked Stephan Miller, 39, said San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Beavers.

Stephan Miller is the cousin of training center owner Randy Miller, she said.

Pepper spray was used to subdue and contain the bear, and there were no other injuries, Beavers said. Paramedics arriving shortly after the initial emergency call around 3 p.m. were unable to revive Stephan Miller.


(AP) Rocky the grizzly bear is seen at the Forever Wild animal sanctuary in Phelan, Calif. in Nov. 2007....
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The state Department of Fish and Game and Occupational Safety and Health Administration were investigating the incident.

Fish and game spokesman Harry Morse told the San Bernardino Sun Tuesday his department would not decide whether the bear will be euthanized because the attack occurred outside its jurisdiction during a training session on facility grounds.

Morse speculated that the county animal care officials may decide the bear's fate. A call placed early Wednesday to the county's Animal Care and Control Program was not answered.

Sheriff's Sgt. Dave Phelps said the bear was a 5-year-old male named Rocky. The Predators in Action Web site said Rocky is 7 1/2 feet tall and weighs 700 pounds.

The site, which was off-line early Wednesday due to overtaxed bandwidth, identified Rocky as the animal that appeared with Ferrell's character in the scene from "Semi-Pro." Randy Miller doubled for Ferrell in the bear wrestling match, according to the site.


(AP) Rocky the grizzly bear is seen at the Forever Wild animal sanctuary in Phelan, Calif. in Nov. 2007....
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Calls seeking comment from Randy Miller were not immediately returned Tuesday evening.

The center, located in the San Bernardino Mountains east of Los Angeles, has two grizzlies, and also trains lions, tigers, leopards, cougars and wolves for uses ranging from film and TV to advertising and education.

In a February interview, Randy Miller called Rocky "the best working bear in the business," the San Bernardino Sun reported on its Web site Wednesday. But, the paper quoted him as saying, "If one of these animals gets a hold of your throat, you're finished."

Randy Miller has 25 years of experience training animals and his facility has had a perfect safety record, according to the site.

Randy Miller won a World Stunt Academy Award for his work wrestling tigers in the 2000 blockbuster "Gladiator" and performed stunts with his animals in films like "The Postman,""The Island of Dr. Moreau," and "The Last Samurai." He also helped recreate animal attacks for National Geographic documentaries and the Discovery Channel.

It was not immediately known how long Rocky has been at the facility.

The attack prompted actress Virginia McKenna, founder of the international wildlife charity Born Free, to call for the entertainment industry to stop using wild animals.

"The movie industry urgently needs to use its technological and creative imagination to put an end to the use of live wild animals in commercials and movies," McKenna, who starred in the 1966 wildlife film "Born Free," said in a printed release. "Hollywood is a dream factory - this time the dream has become a nightmare."

Denise Richards, who works with wild animals at Moonridge Zoo, a sanctuary for injured and homeless wildlife in nearby Big Bear Lake, said trained animals that turn on their handlers are often destroyed.

"You can train them and use as many safety precautions as you can, but you're still taking a chance if you're putting yourself in contact with them," Richards said. "It's still a wild animal. Even though it may appear that the bear attacked for no reason, there was a reason. I'm sure Randy understands why it happened. They're not cold-blooded killers."

Native grizzly bears are extinct in California.
 
They arent tame. They are just not hungry and know they will get fed. Push them around and they know they can push back.
 
no wild animal is ever tame enough to trust your life to.even though you know exactly what todo.an you know all the signs of an angry animal.
 
I got a grown red fox once that was hit by a car. Dad put a splint on its broke leg and patched it up. I would climb in its cage and pet it like a dog every day till he healed. After the spint was removed I climbed in the cage and that SOB ate me alive! We shipped his head to the vet diagnotic lab that day for rabies tests.
 
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Jogeephus":1em9ywyp said:
I got a grown red fox once that was hit by a car. Dad put a splint on its broke leg and patched it up. I would climb in its cage and pet it like a dog every day till he healed. After the spint was removed I climbed in the cage and that SOB ate me alive! We shipped his head to the vet diagnotic lab that day for rabies tests.


I guess you learned a lesson there

GMN
 
My sister had a similar experience with a raccoon. She got it when it was just barely born and she fed it with a bottle. It was really cute for a while. It was a sow coon and when she got to breeding age, the first time she went into season she changed totally. I don't know what they did with her.

There are folks around here that have wolf hybrids. My friend's neighbors had one and I just flat out asked her what was going to happen when it attacked her kids? Well, it did, and it had to be killed and tested.

Wild animals will always be wild. They may act tame but they are not. They just don't have it in their instincts.
 
Best success I've had with a wild animal was a grey fox I got when its eyes were still closed. This was a wonderful pet and was similar to a dogXcat. But as you point out, the older she got the more wild instinct came out in her. I had her for three maybe four years but she would roam further and further from house. One day she met a hunting dog that she thought wanted to play - the dogs hunting instinct took over its desire to play. That was a sad day for our family.
 
Every spring I get calls from people wanting to know how to take care of the baby raccoon they have found ~ few things are cuter. I always warn them ~ not only is it illegal, it is also dangerous and they can be destructive to property. I have several scars on both arms from raccoon bites.
 
GMN":8xm7099x said:
Jogeephus":8xm7099x said:
I got a grown red fox once that was hit by a car. Dad put a splint on its broke leg and patched it up. I would climb in its cage and pet it like a dog every day till he healed. After the spint was removed I climbed in the cage and that SOB ate me alive! We shipped his head to the vet diagnotic lab that day for rabies tests.


I guess you learned a lesson there

GMN

No it didn't. It was later when I caught my "pet skunk" did I finally realize these type things weren't pets. (I am either slow or hard-headed. My wife swears I'm the latter but I disagree. ;-) )
 
NO, and NO. Pitbulls come to mind. The new folks that come on here with the pet bovine come to mind. When I was a kid I had a beagle that was just the best family dog. During a barbeque I dumped some bones in her food bowl and one bone fell out. I reached down to put it in her bowl and got a bite on the finger that broke the skin. That was the only time she ever bit me. Wild animals should never be trusted. It seems every experienced rancher on here talks about not trusting a bull and always having an escape route. With that in mind our cattle have been domesticated for hundreds if not thousands of years. Same with dogs. We continue to think we can turn something that has not been domesticated in all of human history and turn it into a pet. I'm not saying it isn't possible. It obviously is possible. We just like to play the percentages to much then get shocked when we lose.

Walt
 
I do not believe wild animals animals ever become fully tame, there is just too much instinct at play for that to happen.
 
truth to tell,I don't think humans are all that tame..See evening news .. :(
 

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