Are they worried?

Dave

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I have given some thought on how to put this on here and finally just decided to tell it. Several weeks ago a man from my church put on a talk about the different initiatives on the ballot this year. Just the pros and cons of these issues which will be voted on. This guy happens to be the leading republican in the state house but that had no baring on his talk or the point that I am bring up. What was interesting is to close his talk he said that in over two hundred years we have always accepted the out come of our elections and have never changed them through bloodshed. In all my years I have never heard a politician say anything close to this. How much is this being discussed at the level he is at? How worried are they?
 
I can't see anything drastic happening till the Supreme court rules against our 2nd ammendment. Life is to good at the moment for the weak. Lots of folks will cut and run, and alot will die fighting for what they believe. Once I'm a political criminal all bets are off.
 
I think as long as a election is fair it will be accepted. If people find that they have been cheated things might get ugly.
I to would draw a line in the sand on my second amendment rights. What's left of them
 
Dave,
That is a common statement. At the end of the first debate each candidate was asked if they would accept the opposing candidate as President. Each replied in the affirmative. It is a historical fact and is significant because in lessor countries, history is littered with rebellions when the desired party did not win. Mugabe in Zimbabwe is well known for ignoring or tampering with the outcome of his elections. It is a characteristic of false democracies.
 
Margonme":3vzlz912 said:
Dave,
That is a common statement. At the end of the first debate each candidate was asked if they would accept the opposing candidate as President. Each replied in the affirmative. It is a historical fact and is significant because in lessor countries, history is littered with rebellions when the desired party did not win. Mugabe in Zimbabwe is well known for ignoring or tampering with the outcome of his elections. It is a characteristic of false democracies.

You heard something different than myself. The woman beat around the bush, and the man said he'd accept the outcome. We'll see in a few weeks how it all works out.
 
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True Grit Farms":1t8ogplz said:
I can't see anything drastic happening till the Supreme court rules against our 2nd ammendment. Life is to good at the moment for the weak. Lots of folks will cut and run, and alot will die fighting for what they believe. Once I'm a political criminal all bets are off.

Grit,
I often think the contrary may occur. What you call the weak are not weak. And they can be ruthless. Most rebellion comes from the suppressed, in our case, the ones who have lost hope of a better life. I don't think humans enjoy poverty or even a handout. I could see a point in time when the classes are so widely separated that there is a rebellion of the lower class. Just magnify what I see right here. The pillbillies have as many guns as we do. They are desperate. They already take anything that is not secured. I worry more about a rebellion coming from below. Sorry if some take this as me demeaning the less fortunate, that is not my intent.
 
Margonme":2ew40pxg said:
True Grit Farms":2ew40pxg said:
I can't see anything drastic happening till the Supreme court rules against our 2nd ammendment. Life is to good at the moment for the weak. Lots of folks will cut and run, and alot will die fighting for what they believe. Once I'm a political criminal all bets are off.

Grit,
I often think the contrary may occur. What you call the weak are not weak. And they can be ruthless. Most rebellion comes from the suppressed, in our case, the ones who have lost hope of a better life. I don't think humans enjoy poverty or even a handout. I could see a point in time when the classes are so widely separated that there is a rebellion of the lower class. Just magnify what I see right here. The pillbillies have as many guns as we do. They are desperate. They already take anything that is not secured. I worry more about a rebellion coming from below. Sorry if some take this as me demeaning the less fortunate, that is not my intent.

I see you both being right. The question is which group will rebell first. If the classes continue to grow apart the lower class will start it. But if the 2nd RIGHT( as i see it its not an amendment as it was included in the original document as a right for all) is taken away that will be the group that stands up.
 
Margonme":bas5iacn said:
True Grit Farms":bas5iacn said:
I can't see anything drastic happening till the Supreme court rules against our 2nd ammendment. Life is to good at the moment for the weak. Lots of folks will cut and run, and alot will die fighting for what they believe. Once I'm a political criminal all bets are off.

Grit,
I often think the contrary may occur. What you call the weak are not weak. And they can be ruthless. Most rebellion comes from the suppressed, in our case, the ones who have lost hope of a better life. I don't think humans enjoy poverty or even a handout. I could see a point in time when the classes are so widely separated that there is a rebellion of the lower class. Just magnify what I see right here. The pillbillies have as many guns as we do. They are desperate. They already take anything that is not secured. I worry more about a rebellion coming from below. Sorry if some take this as me demeaning the less fortunate, that is not my intent.

The weak seem pretty happy to me, I see them sitting under a shade tree drinking and laughing every time I go to town. Everyone needs to remember one very important thing, without bullets guns are just expensive clubs. It's impossible to have enough ammo.
 
Read political commentary from centuries ago, from any country, and there will inevitably be discussion of income discrepancy. "The poor will always be with you"--Jesus
Put all the wealth in a pile and hand it out equally to everyone and within five years most of it will be back where it started.
"Poor people have poor ways"-My Grandmother
"God must love poor people, He made so many of us"-Grandma, again

If we don't get a "Tough Love" president and congress soon, I fear a rebellion my come from the middle class.
 
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.
 
Clodhopper":263yes7x said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.

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Clodhopper":ll1xkach said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.

You must be living in your own little world. I have some millennial grand kids that are just coming of age. Two served their country in Iraq and Afghanistan. The only grand daughter just started her first year teaching. Another is in school planning to be a police officer. Another is in his third year in college and planning to be a computer engineer. The last is still in high school and very interested in making swords and knives and works hard in school and is a division leader in his high school band. I am sure that if you looked around you would find some of them around you I see them all the time working in the farm machinery business selling repairing and running the business. I see young millennials managing restaurants and such. I am 76 years old and interact with them each day..
 
Clodhopper":1edsz7cd said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.
I've just paid for my house and land with the work of my hands and the sweat of my brow. The only thing I still owe money on is an old one ton that's older than I am.
 
hurleyjd":2kqm2ca0 said:
Clodhopper":2kqm2ca0 said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.

You must be living in your own little world. I have some millennial grand kids that are just coming of age. Two served their country in Iraq and Afghanistan. The only grand daughter just started her first year teaching. Another is in school planning to be a police officer. Another is in his third year in college and planning to be a computer engineer. The last is still in high school and very interested in making swords and knives and works hard in school and is a division leader in his high school band. I am sure that if you looked around you would find some of them around you I see them all the time working in the farm machinery business selling repairing and running the business. I see young millennials managing restaurants and such. I am 76 years old and interact with them each day..
Your both right but percentage wise he's way more right.
The ones your talking about are certainly out there but there's far more numbers of the ones he's talking about.
 
You've got that right. Most of my generation is out catching Pokemon or married to Facebook. There shouldn't be much competition on lease places in a few years lol.
 
Clodhopper":126ewc8z said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.

Generalizations, Generalizations! Or is it profiling a generation.

There are many dedicated, motivated achievers in the millennial generation. Like every generation, many fought in conflicts and wars giving their lives.

It may be fair to describe them as the electronic generation. Whether that is good or bad. I still think about that. My son is a 1984 baby. Grew up in Nintendo age. I worry about the role electronics played in his life. But he has a PhD in Cancer Cells Biology and works for Eli Lilly in drug research. His evenings are still about electronic entertainment. IDK.
 
Clodhopper":21modjkd said:
If any rebellion is to ever happen, it will have to happen soon. The millennial generation and younger have never had to work hard for anything. As long as they have their electronic devices and a bag of Cheetos, they could give a dung pile less about anything else. I don't think they would have the fight in them.
Clod I have two millennials. Both strive and work hard and are clawing their way up.

I admit, they are infatuated with things that hold no appeal to me, but they are working hard and moving up.

They do hold certain socialist views that I hope they outgrow. I blame our public education for that. They sure did not get those ideas at home. I think sometimes the youth feel the need to define themselves as contrary to their parents. I instilled in them the need of independent thought. I just sometimes don't like where that thought goes.

Someone said, "If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain"
 
I post this not so much because of what was said but who said it and where he said it. Everyone has heard rumblings along these lines. But when it is said by the ranking Republican in the state legislature at a meeting in church.... The politicians ae observing how divided this country has become. Of course you would have to be blind to not notice it.
 

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