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Steve,
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recommending to breed heifers at 10 months old is absolutely ridiculous.
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First, I did not recommend anything. I simply stated what I do.
What you do or believe is completely up to you.

To me, an open cow is like putting your money under your mattress, it earns you nothing and only goes down in value, not up.
SL
 
Steve,
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what you are overlooking is that when nature takes its course and heifers are bred at a young age I can guarantee you the death rate is quite high.
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That may be true for hobby farmers but not for real cattlemen who spends time with their cattle and know and use proper management procedures.

IMO a young heifer who is in proper condition to breed can produce a fine and health calf as any other grown cow in the same condition.

SL
 
Proper management procedures would include not letting a 10 month old heifer get bred. I would love to see some pictures of your 19 month old heifers and their calves.
 
Over the years i have had a couple of heifer breed early and calve at about 16 months, when it has happend they were bred by bull calves that we missed cutting, about the same size as the heifers. I never had one have trouble haveing the calf, but every time the heifer never made a good cow after that. And the very best cows i have ever had were not bred for the first time until they were 20 months, not saying you need to wait that long and i don't wait that long, but letting them go until they are a full 14 to 16 months and atleast 750lbs, is going to make them better.
 
Sir Loin":1pxsecf5 said:
Steve,
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what you are overlooking is that when nature takes its course and heifers are bred at a young age I can guarantee you the death rate is quite high.
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That may be true for hobby farmers but not for real cattlemen who spends time with their cattle and know and use proper management procedures.

IMO a young heifer who is in proper condition to breed can produce a fine and health calf as any other grown cow in the same condition.

SL
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Actually, real cattlemen have a calving season that is tied to what their grass does and breed based on that and it puts heifers born the year before at fourteen and fifteen months so that they'll calve a little before or at the same time as the cows.
In my experiance, anyone who breeds a heifer at ten months for any other reason than to force a late calf into a certain window just flat doesn't know what they're doing. Open cows do cost money and a good way to avoid open cows is to spend a few extra bucks at a time when they're still cheap to feed and really develop heifers and get them started off the right way.
 
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Sl, It's a good thing that your bull is in year round because I can promise you that if you breed heifers at ten months old long enough, you won't get many of them bred back on any kind of schedule.
 
Isomade":4nifzbsv said:
Sir Loin":4nifzbsv said:
J,

???????????? What are you waiting for?
An open cow makes you no money!

FYI: Once a heifer reaches maturity ( heat cycle ) she depreciates from there on.
SL
PS Pics are fine, we just have to click on them for enlargement.
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Hogwash, some heifers will start to cycle at 6 months of age and in some cases younger. I like them to be 14-15 months depending on weight before I breed them.
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Ditto what ISO said.
 
denvermartinfarms":12u4h48v said:
Over the years i have had a couple of heifer breed early and calve at about 16 months, when it has happend they were bred by bull calves that we missed cutting, about the same size as the heifers. I never had one have trouble haveing the calf, but every time the heifer never made a good cow after that. And the very best cows i have ever had were not bred for the first time until they were 20 months, not saying you need to wait that long and i don't wait that long, but letting them go until they are a full 14 to 16 months and atleast 750lbs, is going to make them better.
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Amen,I've got heifers that were A.I.ed from 14 to 20 calving right now. No issues except one calf was born and lived for bout 2 hours then just died it happens. If you want cows that will do the work don't push them but don't baby them either. Bulls are no different. Its kinda like wanting a truck to last forever but never changing the oil it won't happen. B&G
 

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