Another Longhorn cow.....

[Rustler9]

Here's one of our older cows-bred for a fall calf. Shes' out of Ray Moore's herd in Oklahoma. Opinions?

 

[TxStateCowboy]

watusi

 

[HOSS]

Rustler, that is a fine looking cow. What a set of clown stabbers she has!

 

[cowspider]

Nice Cow , Great Horns

 

[Rustler9]

There's no Watusi in this cow.

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

Nice looking Longhorn cow! Anybody that has ever seen a Watusi would know there IS a difference...lol.

 

[jaydill]

Nice cow there Rustler! Great set of horns.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

it's not a watusi, but it has some in it. red ears on a whitewash body and head, the lower horn is too 'Y'-shaped along with the top of the skull, instead of lateral. The first twist is too sloppy, not tight enough, and the 2nd twist is too far out near the tip of the horn. Too much of the horn is pointed out like a Y.

I have a few just like her, unregistered of course, but very good animals. I consider as "commercial longhorn"- for production.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Ok, the top is a full-blooded Watusi from dickinson's website.
The bottom a pure, blood-tested CTLR registered longhorn.
Which one looks more like our white ones?

 

[Rustler9]

Ray Moore sold this cow's grand mother for $75,000.00. I don't believe that he ever put any Watusi blood into his herd. The white with red ears color pattern is a Butler trait-not a Watusi trait that I've ever heard of.

 

[cowspider]

The Watusi looks to have a differnt body type to me.
Rustler, yours looks Longhorn to me.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Pure watusi does have different body type, i was just pointing out that many longhorns, mosty of butler line, do have traces of watusi somewhere in them. Butler wasn't known for strict breeding practices, and i believe both brahma and watusi bloodlines are somewhere to be found in most mainstream animals within the tlbaa and itla, especially butler lines.

Dickinson, King Ranch, and YO ranch longhorns, some not all, seem to stray away from pure longhorn genetics when you take a real close look at the animals. Does it matter? not really. but in keeping the breed a functional, hardy, economic solution for cattle production, i believe the mainstream longhorn business to be way off. $10k, $20k, $50k, $100k? For a longhorn? I wouldn't pay that for any animal, ever, unless it was a bull that tossed out 1000 lb weanlings.

I can buy a good registered Brangus heifer for 1500, why would I buy a registered longhorn for 1500? But for $400, 500 a piece, i'll take three longhorns and breed them to an angus for economical and profitable beef production.

 

[Rustler9]

You must have another source of information other than what I've read and talked to other breeders. I've never heard anything about Milby Butler breeding Watusi into his Longhorns. I know Darol Dickinson has Watusi but I don't believe he crosses them and sells them as pure Longhorns either. As far as my Longhorns-you nor anyone else will get them for $400-$500 each. That's what the sale barn is for.

 

[Anonymous]

it's not a watusi, but it has some in it. red ears on a whitewash body and head, the lower horn is too 'Y'-shaped along with the top of the skull, instead of lateral. The first twist is too sloppy, not tight enough, and the 2nd twist is too far out near the tip of the horn. Too much of the horn is pointed out like a Y.

I have a few just like her, unregistered of course, but very good animals. I consider as "commercial longhorn"- for production.

Why you gotta try to tell Rustler9 what breed his own cattle are?...that's like somebody trying to tell me that my herefords aint really herefords...if he says they're longhorns then I reckon they're longhorns...

 

[Running Arrow Bill]

You must have another source of information other than what I've read and talked to other breeders. I've never heard anything about Milby Butler breeding Watusi into his Longhorns. I know Darol Dickinson has Watusi but I don't believe he crosses them and sells them as pure Longhorns either. As far as my Longhorns-you nor anyone else will get them for $400-$500 each. That's what the sale barn is for.

Agree Rustler9! Dickinson has Watusi that look a He$$ of a lot different than Longhorns. Watusi's have VERY thick (large diameter) horn bases with characteristic "Y" horn shape. Once you see a real one, a person will never forget the image.

As with other serious longhorn breeders, the $400 and $500 longhorns (a/k/a Sale Barn "culls") are just that. One can never win an argument (or conversation) with anti-longhorn ranchers. Us LH breeders sell by "each" not "via pound" and do rather well in our programs.

 

[Anonymous]

The only watusi i've ever seen in real life didn't have that Y horn shape...his horns went straight out...do all purebred watusi's horns go Y shaped or was the watusi I saw some kind of crossbreed?

 

[TxStateCowboy]

Pure watusi are very very thick and go straight out, but i have seen some with a small Y-shape, and logically, a longhorn (lateral growth) crossed with a Watusi (straight up and out) would have a very definate Y shape with a sloppy 1st twist and a late second twist with medium horn thickness.

 

[Jensen]

txstatecowboy,
If you want to see some pictures of longhorns that were taken before Watusis were introduced into the US go to http://butlertexaslonghorn.com/index.shtml. Some have the exact horn shape as Rustler9's cow.

 

[TxStateCowboy]

well i can't prove anything. I just believe there has been crossbreeding, and mostly within butler lines, inside the longorn registry. i have nothing against longhorns or the people that raise them, i'm just a little more passionate about the purity of the breed- the true to type characteristics of that breed, and keeping those traits true to their God-given, natural form.

 

[Brandonm2]

Pure watusi are very very thick and go straight out, but i have seen some with a small Y-shape, and logically, a longhorn (lateral growth) crossed with a Watusi (straight up and out) would have a very definate Y shape with a sloppy 1st twist and a late second twist with medium horn thickness.

Longhorns were not bred for horn shape until recent decades. There was a lot of diversity in Longhorns historically predating the seven families as these pictures show
http://www.texancultures.utsa.edu/hidde ... elford.htm
I would not question an animal's purity based on a visual view of the horns alone.