Another girl doing her Job

[randiliana]

Shorthorn x cow, Shorthorn sired calf. Born Mar 5 2007

 

[WORANCH]

Good looking pair .

 

[CHHSFFA]

She earned her keep it looks like.

 

[bigbull338]

now that is a nice pair.that cow is a calf raiser.love pics of nice calf raisers.

 

[randiliana]

She is one of those never-fail cows. Big calf every fall all on her own. The kind of cow everyone should strive for....

 

[Rustler9]

And doing her job well, I'd say. Excellent pair.

 

[3waycross]

What was the cross on the cow. Shorthorn X What

My buddy is crossing Gelbvieh on some good commercial Shorthorn cows.

He's getting great muscle and very good growth. Seems like a little less frame tho.

We have been wondering about going for an F2 cross to something for a little better marbling. or going back to a purebred shorthorn. Looks like you're doing something right with this program

 

[dun]

What was the cross on the cow. Shorthorn X What

My buddy is crossing Gelbvieh on some good commercial Shorthorn cows.

He's getting great muscle and very good growth. Seems like a little less frame tho.

We have been wondering about going for an F2 cross to something for a little better marbling. or going back to a purebred shorthorn. Looks like you're doing something right with this program

I'm confused by the term F2 cross. An F2 is the result of mating identical breed composition F1s

 

[3waycross]

What was the cross on the cow. Shorthorn X What

My buddy is crossing Gelbvieh on some good commercial Shorthorn cows.

He's getting great muscle and very good growth. Seems like a little less frame tho.

We have been wondering about going for an F2 cross to something for a little better marbling. or going back to a purebred shorthorn. Looks like you're doing something right with this program

I'm confused by the term F2 cross. An F2 is the result of mating identical breed composition F1s[/quot


I didn't mean for that to come out that way. I was having 2 conversations at one time and said the wrong thing here. What I meant was which way to go for the 2nd cross in order to maintain heterosis. And at the same time improve for carcass caracteristics

 

[dun]

What was the cross on the cow. Shorthorn X What

My buddy is crossing Gelbvieh on some good commercial Shorthorn cows.

He's getting great muscle and very good growth. Seems like a little less frame tho.

We have been wondering about going for an F2 cross to something for a little better marbling. or going back to a purebred shorthorn. Looks like you're doing something right with this program

I'm confused by the term F2 cross. An F2 is the result of mating identical breed composition F1s[/quot


I didn't mean for that to come out that way. I was having 2 conversations at one time and said the wrong thing here. What I meant was which way to go for the 2nd cross in order to maintain heterosis. And at the same time improve for carcass caracteristics

If you want to stay with british I would go with probably something like a Hereford, Angus, Shorthorn cross. If I was going to throw in some continental I would go with Simmenthal or the highest marbeling Gelbvieh I could find. Our primary cross is Red Angus Polled Herford and breed them back the other way. If I could find a pure Shorthorn (not appendix) that I had confidence in as far as carcass is concerned we'ld try that. But we've stuck with just the 2 breed rotatinal and throw in a little continental as a terminal breed. Sometimes we'll use a black Angus, no heterosis but it gives the buyers a black hide. For 4H/FFA market steers at the fair too frequently the judges still want a black hide even when they have the ultrasound data on the calves.

 

[randiliana]

What was the cross on the cow. Shorthorn X What

My buddy is crossing Gelbvieh on some good commercial Shorthorn cows.

He's getting great muscle and very good growth. Seems like a little less frame tho.

We have been wondering about going for an F2 cross to something for a little better marbling. or going back to a purebred shorthorn. Looks like you're doing something right with this program

I don't really have any idea what she would be crossed with. We bought her as a bred heifer. The Shorthorn is actually an educted guess. I would assume from where she came from that it would be Red Angus though. But she was a trader animal so it is anyones guess.

This is our first year using a Shorthorn bull on our cows. The plan was to get some replacement heifers, and out of 19 heifers, at least 10 of them are going to stay here. There is actually only 2 that we really do not like.

 

[ArrowHBrand]

Nice calf! I have a soft spot for shorties, we have a red just like yours!

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Quote dun: "For 4H/FFA market steers at the fair too frequently the judges still want a black hide even when they have the ultrasound data on the calves."

dun: You're right! This is why it isn't wise to plan and gear a breeding program on what a sometimes "Ding-Bat" judge tells you, instead of what a little knowledge and common sense tells you! Black is sometimes fine - but it certainly isn't the first priority for breed selection alone. In my opinion, what should be done - RIGHT NOW - is educating Feedlots, Packers, Judges and Breeders the traits and characteristics that produce what the PUBLIC wants (even though they don't know themselves!), and "TENDERNESS and TASTE" takes priority. If Black hides can provide that - FINE! If Green Spotted and Striped hides can do it - FINE! But SOMEBODY has to "Bell the Cat", and it should have been done about 20 years ago! The Angus Association jumped on the band wagon, and everybody else followed like a bunch of sheep!

DOC HARRIS

 

[vs_cattle]

Nice Looking Pair

 

[funky 4-Her]

Nice looking cattle you got there.

 

[randiliana]

Quote dun: "For 4H/FFA market steers at the fair too frequently the judges still want a black hide even when they have the ultrasound data on the calves."

dun: You're right! This is why it isn't wise to plan and gear a breeding program on what a sometimes "Ding-Bat" judge tells you, instead of what a little knowledge and common sense tells you! Black is sometimes fine - but it certainly isn't the first priority for breed selection alone. In my opinion, what should be done - RIGHT NOW - is educating Feedlots, Packers, Judges and Breeders the traits and characteristics that produce what the PUBLIC wants (even though they don't know themselves!), and "TENDERNESS and TASTE" takes priority. If Black hides can provide that - FINE! If Green Spotted and Striped hides can do it - FINE! But SOMEBODY has to "Bell the Cat", and it should have been done about 20 years ago! The Angus Association jumped on the band wagon, and everybody else followed like a bunch of sheep!

DOC HARRIS

I agree with your comments. Around here, I have found that the black hided calves will sometimes outsell the other colors, but certainly not always. We have black in the herd, but also a lot of red. And as much as everyone talks about a 'uniform' calf crop (colorwise) I don't personally think you need to worry about it. We sell our big steers in one bunch, blacks/reds/rwf/bwf and the odd tan one if we have one. We have maybe not topped the sale on that day, but were certainly higher than average, and often higher than some of the one owner/one color groups. The buyers are looking for quality, as much, if not more than they are looking for color. What one judge is looking for really should not have an effect on what you are breeding, especially if you are breeding to market your cattle, not show them....