Angus/Red Angus Feet & Leg Improver

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What are some good choices to improve feet and legs in the Angus and Red Angus breeds? Don't want to give up thickness and udder quality.

It seems to me that structure is lacking in some of the bulls of today. Too busy chasing carcass and performance, but to me structure, convienience traits, and fertility are by far the most important.
 
The best footed bulls we have ever used are VGW Rattler. He was 7 when he died and feet were perfect. Never had to even worry about him. The other was VGW Bonus. He was around 7 or 8 when he died too. Same thing, not a problem. Great feet and legs under them both.

Stay away from the Cherokee Canyon Line. I have seen lots and lots of bad footed sons and daughters out of him.

The Heavenly 8141 was not very good either. Great cows, but poor feet under them.

Chateau is another bull that throws bad feet. Most of the sons get big cracks and the right front toe seems to grow out quick.

Hope I didn't step on any toes here, but this is just what I have seen in my travels.
 
We have stayed away from them. I've been amazed at looking through ABS and seeing all of the GTS Scores being negative for foot structure. Lancer F442 is one I will not use. We bought a bull from Kenny Forster, and he has real nice feet. He seems to pay attention to such things more than some.
 
The best footed individual in the RA breed I have seen is the new RA Brown bull , Mission Statement. His legs were fine as well.
 
Off hand, I can't remember ever seeing a black angus that had wonderful, huge feet. I havn't seen all that many but can't remember one as good as the Mission Statement bull.
 
Mission Statement has good feet, but that is about all I like about him. Not enough everything for me.
 
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BA":3svr7exg said:
What are some good choices to improve feet and legs in the Angus and Red Angus breeds? Don't want to give up thickness and udder quality.

It seems to me that structure is lacking in some of the bulls of today. Too busy chasing carcass and performance, but to me structure, convienience traits, and fertility are by far the most important.

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Oh, sorry, Angus, he, he....I thought you said Galloway. :P
 
Perks Adance 121R has Good Footed Calves I think so anyways There also very thick i dont think you can really go wrong with this bull.
 
Our herd goes mostly back to Rambo, Rambler (BJR GAMBLER 027) and Heavenly. Will agree for the most part on the Heavenly feet - Good cows though, and nothing real major about the feet, just hoping to improve them on a couple cows.

The LJC Mission Statement bull was raised not too far from me. Larry has pretty good cattle.
 
Just resurrecting an old post - been almost 8 years now, but the same issues exist. Any new suggestions concerning the Red Angus bulls that are out there?
 
You stated Angus/Red Angus, If you are referring to black also, I find that many of the Connealy line has a lot of back leg issues. Hips down to the hooves. There are so many at the sales this year. They are hiding their feet in the grass in the videos now. Some have very slopping hips. Very nice looking animals, but so many are defective, that I am afraid that the calves will show up with the trait.
 
Chuckie, I really don't want to offend you but I find on the Connealy offspring (as I have never seen one in person) but that they help a lot in F&L area. Way to many cattle are getting straight legged and they look good but boy they have a heck of a time lasting very long. I'll take a bull who's dew claws touch the dirt with each step before I will a straight son of a gun. I've always felt it keeps them around awhile long having some flex in their pasturn and hock vs being too straight. I also run some clubby bred cows too so that's something I have to watch for.

I guess I'm asking why do you say they have bad rear wheels??????
 
Till-Hill, you won't offend me. You may bring something to light that I haven't thought of before. That's good when that happens. I am slow, and I keep trying to figure out what in the heck F & L means. :lol2: After I send this, I will most likely figure it out.

The Connealy bulls are some of the best looking bulls this year. It disappoints me as I had planned a few trips, but to find that the highest percentage were Connealy. I am sure that there would be some that would be OK, but I just don't want to mess with it.

Not every weakness will be in every animal, but I can see one of these weaknesses in many. I will explain it as though it is in one bull. I have seen it all in one before.

At times, there is a weakness in the hip joints, that when the animal propels itself forward, the joint appears to be very sloppy, and looks to be dislocating from the socket. It is not actually doing it, but there is a double hinged action that makes the hips swing.

They have a tendency to be very sickle hocked, where it almost looks to a curve in the bone below the hock. They back legs are bent forward and don't move out of the position much. There are varying degrees of this.

At the ankle, between the cannon bone and the pastern; and the foot seems to be drawn or pulled under. there is an area that is thickened, and the animal will walk on it's toes. Often it hooves will appear to look smaller than what they should be. The animal will limp and give to it's feet often.
 

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