Is anyone using an Angus bull on shorthorn cows? If so, what kinda results are you getting as far as growth out of calves. Been toying with this idea for a few years now. Selling all my calves private treaty. They prefer black, but accept any color as long as it grows out well on feed. Thanks
Angus on Shorthorn
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Muddy
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We had some shorthorn cows bred to black Angus bulls and the resulting calves weren't too impressive. Ended up sold all but one, Shorthorn cows because our straight Angus calves outweighed the crossbred calves by 100lbs at weaning time. But I had crappy ones and I'm sure there are good shorthorn cows available.
Lucky_P
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Doin' it the other way around here - Shorthorn bulls on high-percentage Angus cows. The SH-sired steers are blowing the doors off anything Angus-sired; stacking up well against Simmental-sired calves out of percentage Simmental cows(though almost all of my SM calves for the past 3 years have been heifers). Keeping most of those SHxAN heifers to breed to Simmental sires.
Yeah, I'm getting some red calves here and there...but Angus-sired calves here for the past 8-9 years have been mediocre to average, at best. We've got no plans to go back to Angus sires any time soon...If I need black, I'll use black Simmental bulls.
Yeah, I'm getting some red calves here and there...but Angus-sired calves here for the past 8-9 years have been mediocre to average, at best. We've got no plans to go back to Angus sires any time soon...If I need black, I'll use black Simmental bulls.
Lucky_P":36c7tvy9 said:
Thanks LP, i bred about half of my simm/angus X cows to a quality fullblood SH bull and the calves are just blowing the doors off the others that were bred to fullblood Angus bull..like you said, have a few red tinters, and a few chromed up out of cows with red, but they are still reallyboutgrowing the angus calfs thus far...last year was step one in my experimentation..im pretty pleased...now you got me thinking about just doing what your doing and suffer the occasional red calf..
Caustic Burno
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bball":3kqkmmy9 said:
My neighbor put my Angus on his SH's this year got six months before I know
what they look like. If I remember right the cross yields the least hybred vigor.
like 10% where Herf/Angus was like 15%.
My buddy crossed Gelbvieh on shorthorn and then to a registered RED angus Great calves that weaned very well.
However thebestcalves have come the last 3 years when he went back on those 3waycross heifers with red balancer bulls. They looklike walking concrete blocks, they are square.
However thebestcalves have come the last 3 years when he went back on those 3waycross heifers with red balancer bulls. They looklike walking concrete blocks, they are square.
Caustic Burno
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3waycross":4aj23zp1 said:
All the data I have read and I believe was the university of Fla. or Mo.
the 3 way with SH was awesome.
Caustic Burno
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bball":3gxglxlk said:
Research it wasn't horrible just off by a few percent been a while since I came across the publication.
The more similar the breed the less vigor, Hereford and Brahman are the most.
Go figure Angus,Hereford and SH all came off the same island.
Here you go last paragraph this report doesn't go into detail data of the original I read.
http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare ... 152web.pdf
Caustic Burno
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bball":dpyuu8cn said:
No problem
You would think with the chrome on a SH they wouldn't be as close to Angus.
This brings up the next question why does chrome take such a hit here.
LH that is why as SH are pretty rare these days in this part of the world.
Buyers see chrome and priced gets docked the worst of the lot running through the barn.
3waycross":vv9zhmnk said:
At the risk of getting my head snapped off, i will respond:
Maybe occasional black calf from possibly black Gelbvieh influence, thats why i was asking.
I use words like beastly. If something is a beast or beastly, it means its a badazz, or a monster.(in a good way)
Im American, proudly served my country during Desert Storm.
I erroneously thought that because i dont know of anyone with them, had seen some breeders in warmer states with them. Did a search on their website(after some motivation) and found some breeders up north too. So thank you :tiphat:
TennesseeTuxedo
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Thank you for your service bball.
I knew what you meant by "beastly" but I'm not as old as 3way, lol!
I knew what you meant by "beastly" but I'm not as old as 3way, lol!
At the risk of getting my head snapped off, i will respond:
Maybe occasional black calf from possibly black Gelbvieh influence, thats why i was asking.
I use words like beastly. If something is a beast or beastly, it means its a badazz, or a monster.(in a good way)
Im American, proudly served my country during Desert Storm.
I erroneously thought that because i dont know of anyone with them, had seen some breeders in warmer states with them. Did a search on their website(after some motivation) and found some breeders up north too. So thank you :tiphat:[/quote]
Yes thank you for your service and I wasn't really trying to bite your head off. I just get really tired of the negative crap some people seem to need to post on here about Gelbvieh cattle. FWIW I run my GV cattle up to 10,000' and they outperform Angus at altitude. I have had very few that didn't test well for that altitude.
If you use homo blk GV you will get blk calves with shorthorns. You could also get some chrome.
Last thing. There is actually a GV composite being developed for southern use. they have anywhere up to 75% eared cattle bred into them. Southern Balancers.
Maybe occasional black calf from possibly black Gelbvieh influence, thats why i was asking.
I use words like beastly. If something is a beast or beastly, it means its a badazz, or a monster.(in a good way)
Im American, proudly served my country during Desert Storm.
I erroneously thought that because i dont know of anyone with them, had seen some breeders in warmer states with them. Did a search on their website(after some motivation) and found some breeders up north too. So thank you :tiphat:[/quote]
Yes thank you for your service and I wasn't really trying to bite your head off. I just get really tired of the negative crap some people seem to need to post on here about Gelbvieh cattle. FWIW I run my GV cattle up to 10,000' and they outperform Angus at altitude. I have had very few that didn't test well for that altitude.
If you use homo blk GV you will get blk calves with shorthorns. You could also get some chrome.
Last thing. There is actually a GV composite being developed for southern use. they have anywhere up to 75% eared cattle bred into them. Southern Balancers.
thommoos
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3waycross":177kh2j4 said:
I am working on a southern composite
see topic
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=98236
this is a homo black polled GV crossed with Beefmasters, no chrome very little ear. growing like weeds.
I'm doing red shorty bull on predominantly baldie cows, some more Hereford, some more Angus. Best and most uniform group of calves in a long time, so far, hope they continue to look so thick and square. I mainly did it in hopes of making shorty influenced cows to go back on with a solid black bull. The color I've run into so far has not been outside the realm of basic Mendelian math. Only problem you will have with the roan will come from roan or white cows. Sometimes it can be sneaky and they will have a roan foot and still throw roan. They can carry spot gene too, so keep that in mind if you go simm instead of Angus or Balancer.
Lucky_P
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Yep. Have some cows with the spotting gene (though they're black, with minimal to moderate chrome on udder & underline) that have thrown some spots on some SH calves out of solid red bulls - one from last fall's crop looked like an old-time Maine-Anjou; have a red heifer out of that cow family this spring that, in spite of solid black dam and solid red sire has quite a bit of chrome on legs, tail, and a big white forehead spot.
