And the kitchen sink

[SBMF 2015]

Got all the pairs on one farm split. The vets coming at 5:30 to start working. Last year the vet, her tech, and I worked 80 pairs ( cows and calves) in three hours. :banana:
The vet and her tech do all the vaccinations and implants. I do the cutting and bringing up. We just alley vaccinate the cows.
The work list for tonight looks like this:
Calves: Inforce3, Once PMH IN, Pyramid 5, Cydecton injectable, Alpha 7MB, Penicillin (cut bull calves), Revlor G (everything except replacement heifers), Synergised delice.
Cows: Alpha 7MB, Cydecton injectable, Synergised delice.

 

[TCRanch]

Holy cow! You have your work cut out for you, hope it goes smoothly.

Why do you give Inforce 3 as well as Once PMH IN? Aren't they both intra nasal for pneumonia?

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Inforce is viral, Once PMH is pasteurella haemolytica.

I added Once PMH to the feedlot steers vac. Fewer injections is always a plus in my book.

 

[TCRanch]

Inforce is viral, Once PMH is pasteurella haemolytica.

I added Once PMH to the feedlot steers vac. Fewer injections is always a plus in my book.

Gotcha. Thanks! I use Inforce 3 at birth but Triangle 4+PH-K at appx 3 months & weaning, supposed to reduce the severity of pasteurella haemolytica.

 

[SBMF 2015]

We flew! Had one group of calves look a little doggy so we held off working them. 65 calves and 67 cows- 2hrs and 8 minutes!

 

[SBMF 2015]

Holy cow! You have your work cut out for you, hope it goes smoothly.

Why do you give Inforce 3 as well as Once PMH IN? Aren't they both intra nasal for pneumonia?

Inforce3 is: IBR, PI3, BRSV. Once PMH IN is: mannheimia haemolytica & pasteurella multocida.
Giving the phm now has greatly helped with summer pneumonia, and lays the groundwork for a good response from my pasteurella vaccine at weaning.

 

[TCRanch]

We flew! Had one group of calves look a little doggy so we held off working them. 65 calves and 67 cows- 2hrs and 8 minutes!

Right down to the minute! It's possible you may be more anal than me ;-)

 

[SBMF 2015]

We flew! Had one group of calves look a little doggy so we held off working them. 65 calves and 67 cows- 2hrs and 8 minutes!

Right down to the minute! It's possible you may be more anal than me ;-)

LOL! We just didn't think it could go any better than last year.
The CRAZY thing to me was how well the cows worked. I guess the old girls know that new pasture is waiting for them in the other side of the chute. Even the couple snorty ones walked right through.

 

[TCRanch]

We flew! Had one group of calves look a little doggy so we held off working them. 65 calves and 67 cows- 2hrs and 8 minutes!

Right down to the minute! It's possible you may be more anal than me ;-)

LOL! We just didn't think it could go any better than last year.
The CRAZY thing to me was how well the cows worked. I guess the old girls know that new pasture is waiting for them in the other side of the chute. Even the couple snorty ones walked right through.

Maybe with all the crazy going on in the world there has to be a silver lining. Same with me this year when we worked them last day of May. Didn't time it (down to the minute ;-) ) but we were finished in record time and that's including rounding up the main herd with my crew on horseback then bringing over the heifers from a different pasture, working them & moving them to yet another pasture. Extra time to doctor one cow with foot rot, preg checking another and messing around with a compass trying to locate magnets on my heifers. Now, I don't do mod live except for the Inforce 3 on the calves so all vaccines were already drawn up in disposable syringes and bagged/in separate coolers according to which group (see aforementioned "anal").

 

[gcreekrch]

Got all the pairs on one farm split. The vets coming at 5:30 to start working. Last year the vet, her tech, and I worked 80 pairs ( cows and calves) in three hours. :banana:
The vet and her tech do all the vaccinations and implants. I do the cutting and bringing up. We just alley vaccinate the cows.
The work list for tonight looks like this:
Calves: Inforce3, Once PMH IN, Pyramid 5, Cydecton injectable, Alpha 7MB, Penicillin (cut bull calves), Revlor G (everything except replacement heifers), Synergised delice.
Cows: Alpha 7MB, Cydecton injectable, Synergised delice.

Protocol here is Inforce and PMH at birth, along with an elastrator band and an ear tag corresponding with mom.

Branding day they receive Bovishield Gold One Shot which has all the virals including pasturella steers and Char cross heifers implanted with Ralgro, Vision 8S for clostridials and H Somnus, an RFID tag and a Draxxin to keep them healthy until the vaccines kick in. ( We would love to leave out the Draxxin but it seems our worst time for respiratory problems is right when they go to range. Lots of these cattle we might only see once or twice over summer.) And a brand and any horns removed with a hot iron.

We work them in groups of 150 to 220 pairs, wean and vaccinate cows before lunch and brand calves after, we can average 40 seconds a calf with a good crew of 4 people.

Cows and replacement heifers get a cheap Clostridal, a scour vaccine and lice treatment pre calving, Bovishield Gold FP5 VL5 pre breeding and a treatment for lice and worms at preg test in fall.

Any calves kept over winter get theOne Shot and a second Vision 8S at weaning. If the weather is crappy we Draxxin them again.

Amazing what we didn’t do to keep them alive and healthy 40 years ago.

 

[darcelina4]

In sure many will disagree and I dont live in your situation but giving shots of draxxin just because is not a good reason to give the draxxin. Giving pen when castrating is valid. I think we need to get out of the general prophylactic use of antibiotics. You do seem to be liberal with vaccines. I think preventing illness so you dont have to use antibiotics is the way to go. Curious- the ones you cut and dehorn, do you check them in like a week for infection?

 

[gcreekrch]

The only time we had problem with infection after dehorning was when a heavy rain reactivated some dehorning paste. That was a mess.

While I do fully agree with you on the Draxxin, some experience we have had in the last ten years has made us want to keep calves alive more than worry about others opinions.

 

[dvcochran]

Sounds like you have a very good routine.
I ask this question every chance I get. To reduce the number of injections per cow do you mix you medicine's in one syringe? For example, when we work cows my wife is the shot prep person and will prep the syringes with 2cc's of xxx, 5cc's, 3cc's of xxx, etc... in one syringe I never go over 10 cc's when doing this. Do you do this?
Would you detail how you give your shots?
I have always gotten mixed reviews to this question and wondered how ya'll are doing it.
Out of the 5 Vet's I have been able to ask, 3 say that is fine and 2 say do not do it.

 

[TCRanch]

When we started out my vet said to give the Covexin 8 on one side of the neck and the Triangle 4+PH-K on the other (didn't matter which side I gave the pinkeye or Lute). Don't remember specifically why but that's how I've always done it - and I definitely don't mix vaccines in the same syringe. I'm assuming you're not using a mod live.

 

[gcreekrch]

Don’t mix vaccines in the same syringe and use different sides and locations for each.

All but the scour vaccine are subcutaneous and are administered with bottle top vaccine guns.

 

[SBMF 2015]

Right down to the minute! It's possible you may be more anal than me ;-)

LOL! We just didn't think it could go any better than last year.
The CRAZY thing to me was how well the cows worked. I guess the old girls know that new pasture is waiting for them in the other side of the chute. Even the couple snorty ones walked right through.

Maybe with all the crazy going on in the world there has to be a silver lining. Same with me this year when we worked them last day of May. Didn't time it (down to the minute ;-) ) but we were finished in record time and that's including rounding up the main herd with my crew on horseback then bringing over the heifers from a different pasture, working them & moving them to yet another pasture. Extra time to doctor one cow with foot rot, preg checking another and messing around with a compass trying to locate magnets on my heifers. Now, I don't do mod live except for the Inforce 3 on the calves so all vaccines were already drawn up in disposable syringes and bagged/in separate coolers according to which group (see aforementioned "anal").

Do you have problems with Anaplasmosis? Why not use repeating syringes?

 

[TCRanch]

LOL! We just didn't think it could go any better than last year.
The CRAZY thing to me was how well the cows worked. I guess the old girls know that new pasture is waiting for them in the other side of the chute. Even the couple snorty ones walked right through.

Maybe with all the crazy going on in the world there has to be a silver lining. Same with me this year when we worked them last day of May. Didn't time it (down to the minute ;-) ) but we were finished in record time and that's including rounding up the main herd with my crew on horseback then bringing over the heifers from a different pasture, working them & moving them to yet another pasture. Extra time to doctor one cow with foot rot, preg checking another and messing around with a compass trying to locate magnets on my heifers. Now, I don't do mod live except for the Inforce 3 on the calves so all vaccines were already drawn up in disposable syringes and bagged/in separate coolers according to which group (see aforementioned "anal").

Do you have problems with Anaplasmosis? Why not use repeating syringes?

Actually, yes. Had one test positive last year but wasn't an active infection at that time. She was 3-4 months bred, had a slight temp (103.4) and my vet treated with LA200. She was good to go and is raising a huge (obnoxious) steer. But lost another even after multiple treatments. I do use mineral with CTC and diligent about spraying but it's sometimes an uphill battle when the neighbors don't do anything except fly tags at the beginning of Spring.

I've also had 2 cows with lymphoma. First one was years ago and that's when I started using disposable syringes/needles almost always. The exception is if I'm treating a single cow and then I'll use the repeater.

 

[SBMF 2015]

Maybe with all the crazy going on in the world there has to be a silver lining. Same with me this year when we worked them last day of May. Didn't time it (down to the minute ;-) ) but we were finished in record time and that's including rounding up the main herd with my crew on horseback then bringing over the heifers from a different pasture, working them & moving them to yet another pasture. Extra time to doctor one cow with foot rot, preg checking another and messing around with a compass trying to locate magnets on my heifers. Now, I don't do mod live except for the Inforce 3 on the calves so all vaccines were already drawn up in disposable syringes and bagged/in separate coolers according to which group (see aforementioned "anal").

Do you have problems with Anaplasmosis? Why not use repeating syringes?

Actually, yes. Had one test positive last year but wasn't an active infection at that time. She was 3-4 months bred, had a slight temp (103.4) and my vet treated with LA200. She was good to go and is raising a huge (obnoxious) steer. But lost another even after multiple treatments. I do use mineral with CTC and diligent about spraying but it's sometimes an uphill battle when the neighbors don't do anything except fly tags at the beginning of Spring.

I've also had 2 cows with lymphoma. First one was years ago and that's when I started using disposable syringes/needles almost always. The exception is if I'm treating a single cow and then I'll use the repeater.

Gotcha, we are lucky enough we don't have to deal with anaplas. But I have had three confirmed cases of lymphoma over the years. Always in old old cows. I just never gave it a thought about transmission.
Thanks.

 

[TCRanch]

Do you have problems with Anaplasmosis? Why not use repeating syringes?

Actually, yes. Had one test positive last year but wasn't an active infection at that time. She was 3-4 months bred, had a slight temp (103.4) and my vet treated with LA200. She was good to go and is raising a huge (obnoxious) steer. But lost another even after multiple treatments. I do use mineral with CTC and diligent about spraying but it's sometimes an uphill battle when the neighbors don't do anything except fly tags at the beginning of Spring.

I've also had 2 cows with lymphoma. First one was years ago and that's when I started using disposable syringes/needles almost always. The exception is if I'm treating a single cow and then I'll use the repeater.

Gotcha, we are lucky enough we don't have to deal with anaplas. But I have had three confirmed cases of lymphoma over the years. Always in old old cows. I just never gave it a thought about transmission.
Thanks.

Let's talk about transmission. In addition to the 2 I lost (quite a while ago), I currently have one that I brought in because I thought she had lump jaw. Vet drew cells and everything indicates lymphoma, as well as a tumor on her backside. Didn't send in blood for a positive diagnosis. Vet said likely vector transmission even though that is rare but he knows my protocol. So this is a pic of one of my neighbors cows last year. They rarely check so I sent him the pic because I thought it was fly strike, possibly proud flesh from a recent brand or wound. He replied it was cancer and left it at that. What are the odds she was the source of vector transmission? Slim, but . . . .

 

[SBMF 2015]

Actually, yes. Had one test positive last year but wasn't an active infection at that time. She was 3-4 months bred, had a slight temp (103.4) and my vet treated with LA200. She was good to go and is raising a huge (obnoxious) steer. But lost another even after multiple treatments. I do use mineral with CTC and diligent about spraying but it's sometimes an uphill battle when the neighbors don't do anything except fly tags at the beginning of Spring.

I've also had 2 cows with lymphoma. First one was years ago and that's when I started using disposable syringes/needles almost always. The exception is if I'm treating a single cow and then I'll use the repeater.

Gotcha, we are lucky enough we don't have to deal with anaplas. But I have had three confirmed cases of lymphoma over the years. Always in old old cows. I just never gave it a thought about transmission.
Thanks.

Let's talk about transmission. In addition to the 2 I lost (quite a while ago), I currently have one that I brought in because I thought she had lump jaw. Vet drew cells and everything indicates lymphoma, as well as a tumor on her backside. Didn't send in blood for a positive diagnosis. Vet said likely vector transmission even though that is rare but he knows my protocol. So this is a pic of one of my neighbors cows last year. They rarely check so I sent him the pic because I thought it was fly strike, possibly proud flesh from a recent brand or wound. He replied it was cancer and left it at that. What are the odds she was the source of vector transmission? Slim, but . . . .

That is NASTY.
How would it get from the neighbors to your cows? Flys?

None of the cows we lost to lymphoma showed any physical signs i.e. Lumps, swelling. They became lethargic, fevers, responded short term to therapeutic treatment: vitamins, min, electrolytes. But in the end they just gave up. Blood tests confirmed two had lymphoma the third one we posted and the vet confirmed lymphoma.
All three were Char Angus crosses, within five years in age, all over ten when they died, probably all related. Could they have been genetically susceptible to lymphoma?
Fortunately I haven't had much personal experience with lymphoma, unfortunately that means I don't have to much knowledge of it either.