ALL of Canada's Problems traced back to the US

[Beef11]

It seems if there is ever a problem in Canada with the cattle industry the blame ends up squarely on the shoulders of those people south of their border. Why is that? I've yet to hear a Canadian say anything about what Canada needed to do to improve their situation or fix their problem. Its always "the US" or "that d@mned Rcalf". When the US market plummets and it will maybe i'll blame it on some Candian Cattleman group not food safety or supply and demand.

 

[frenchie]

It seems if there is ever a problem in Canada with the cattle industry the blame ends up squarely on the shoulders of those people south of their border. Why is that? I've yet to hear a Canadian say anything about what Canada needed to do to improve their situation or fix their problem. Its always "the US" or "that d@mned Rcalf". When the US market plummets and it will maybe i'll blame it on some Candian Cattleman group not food safety or supply and demand.

Whoa there beef11....nobody said that Canada is without problems.

Simply that your poo stinks too

As far as fixing our own problems we are working on it ..are you working on yours or do you deny they exist.

 

[Beef11]

My problems as far as US problems or my problems on a more localized level? I think that the US cattle industry has lots of problems... Lack of direction for one, trade issues that need resolved, political interests that are personal rather than for the bettering of the industry and i could go on and on. As far as personal issues well we don't have time for that. I just get tired of getting pegged for canadia's issues as well like we haven't got enough on our plates. As far as Rcalf goes i think they are trying to do what they can to make the industry better whether they are misguided or not is another issue but i believet that they are altruistic to a degree which is more than i can say about several other groups. I'm a fan of Canada getting their own group to help on their side of the line.

 

[HAY MAKER]

It seems if there is ever a problem in Canada with the cattle industry the blame ends up squarely on the shoulders of those people south of their border. Why is that? I've yet to hear a Canadian say anything about what Canada needed to do to improve their situation or fix their problem. Its always "the US" or "that d@mned Rcalf". When the US market plummets and it will maybe i'll blame it on some Candian Cattleman group not food safety or supply and demand.

Beef11,I believe you are right,I would like to see the canadians solve their problems instead of looking for some one to blame them on................good luck
PS I bet if you would check,they have done little to solve the canadian captive supply problem,that has long been a sore spot with the American cattle man.
Of course they will tell you that captive supply is not their problem,it's an American one.
After all it's the American market that is being unfairly controlled,why would a canadian care ?
Canadians have long aligned themselves with the packing industry to create this captive supply,they call it strategic alliance ............kinda funny to see when their captive supply partners did some strategic aligning on them recently,they got a little taste of what we been getting from these so called strategic alliance partners.....LOL.

 

[skcatlman]

Have canadians blamed the US for BSE in canada , NO. Has the US blamed Canada for bse there YES. IS this fair NO. The US cannot find 32 head of cattle imported from great britian and ireland in the ealy1990s that came over in a shipment with the first bse pos. animal to canada. I would think you guys would like to find them. or atleast where they went. Beef 11 as far as r-calf being altruisic do you know the meaning of the word? there would be no benefit to themselves from their actions i think not. I think we as canadians are postitioned well right now since the border was slammed shut the kill capacity has gone thru the roof over here. As far as strategic alliances yes hormel,tyson and cargil have partnered with canadian producers in getting plants up and going and that is the difference we are partnering with them and for some reason US producers do not want that, they want to fight with them.
If r-calf gets their way the majority of the packing industry will move up to canada. Simple reasons they packers don't have to worry about health care, and can get cheap workers from mexico as our laws allow a job to be done in the Ag. sector if it won't be done by a citizen for that wage. We realize that sometimes a canadian won't do a job for such wages. Don't worry because the US is in a deficite of ground product and will be there for a while we will keep the value added up here and you can buy your ground meat from us. The only difference is that the job in the plant used to be in the US.
I watched a rerun of a fifth estate program on BSE in the US, if there are 150000 downer cows in the US per year how come the USDA only test about 4000 of them for BSE, now that is scary. That is alot of shoveling in the back 40. How did the samples of the presumptive positives BSE cows from Minnesota and New Hampshire get heated to the point that they could not be tested by accident?

 

[Beef11]

Have canadians blamed the US for BSE in canada , NO. Has the US blamed Canada for bse there YES. IS this fair NO. The US cannot find 32 head of cattle imported from great britian and ireland in the ealy1990s that came over in a shipment with the first bse pos. animal to canada. I would think you guys would like to find them. or atleast where they went. Beef 11 as far as r-calf being altruisic do you know the meaning of the word? there would be no benefit to themselves from their actions i think not. I think we as canadians are postitioned well right now since the border was slammed shut the kill capacity has gone thru the roof over here. As far as strategic alliances yes hormel,tyson and cargil have partnered with canadian producers in getting plants up and going and that is the difference we are partnering with them and for some reason US producers do not want that, they want to fight with them.
If r-calf gets their way the majority of the packing industry will move up to canada. Simple reasons they packers don't have to worry about health care, and can get cheap workers from mexico as our laws allow a job to be done in the Ag. sector if it won't be done by a citizen for that wage. We realize that sometimes a canadian won't do a job for such wages. Don't worry because the US is in a deficite of ground product and will be there for a while we will keep the value added up here and you can buy your ground meat from us. The only difference is that the job in the plant used to be in the US.
I watched a rerun of a fifth estate program on BSE in the US, if there are 150000 downer cows in the US per year how come the USDA only test about 4000 of them for BSE, now that is scary. That is alot of shoveling in the back 40. How did the samples of the presumptive positives BSE cows from Minnesota and New Hampshire get heated to the point that they could not be tested by accident?

There you go complaining about the US. I've heard alot of crap and seen alot of mudslung at the US and Rcalf over the border closing. It wasn't anything personal towards Canada just the US protecting its industry. I never heard anybody complaining about the Japanese unfairly closing their border. Why are Canadians so against Rcalf? They are just trying to protect themselves.

 

[skcatlman]

As for why do canadians dislike r-calf simple they claim to want to protect the US beef industry. But from what? Both countries have pos. BSE cattle. Why is Can. not PO'ed at Japan it is simple the US group r-calf was blaming the BSE and world trade restrictions on canada. Not true your export markets would have reopened if you wouldn't of had indeginous BSE cases. Japan did not attack canada and has actually started taking beef from canada. To qote r-calf the group has said in a press release the canada had an epidemic of BSE. According the the dicionary and health professionals an epidemic is when 25 % of the populaion carries an particular infection. Although you may think this is true, it is far from that there are millions of cattle in canada and ony 8 positive cases that is not an epidemic. I think the main reason for the dislike of r-calf is the propaganda, the way r-calf blames all the US industry problems on others, and how they prortray beef from any other country is poor quality which is not true either. IF done properly ,i see no problem with COOL. i just am weary of what r-calf wants, why don't they want a national animal ID program in the US?

 

[frenchie]

beef 11.

There you go complaining about the US. I've heard alot of crap and seen alot of mudslung at the US and Rcalf over the border closing. It wasn't anything personal towards Canada just the US protecting its industry. I never heard anybody complaining about the Japanese unfairly closing their border. Why are Canadians so against Rcalf? They are just trying to protect themselves.

beef11 it isn,t personal ...get over it..but what did you expect Canucks to do ...let R-calf slander the canadian beef industry in the press and online

 

[HAY MAKER]

beef 11.

There you go complaining about the US. I've heard alot of crap and seen alot of mudslung at the US and Rcalf over the border closing. It wasn't anything personal towards Canada just the US protecting its industry. I never heard anybody complaining about the Japanese unfairly closing their border. Why are Canadians so against Rcalf? They are just trying to protect themselves.

beef11 it isn,t personal ...get over it..but what did you expect Canucks to do ...let R-calf slander the canadian beef industry in the press and online

R CALF is not slandering anyone,R CALF is bringing facual information to the cattle man,some folks that cant stand the truth.....call it slander ................good luck

PS frencheee.you insult the readers inteligence by playing your little word games (calling the 7 head of cattle that compromised the quarantine zone imaginary)the only thing I see in this deal is your imagining slander.get over it,myself and folks like beef11 are tired of you whining the blues,about factual information.

 

[skcatlman]

Why are canadians so against r-calf, Just look at how and what the goup says about canadian cattle imports. Why are r-calfers against canadians, if one believes the propaganda every animal that goes to the US from Canada has BSE because according to r-calf there is a BSE epidemic in canada, I know that r-calf wants to protect the US beef industry but from what or who? that is a very broad statement. Which allows them alot or reign. Basically from what i have read and seen the group doesn't want to see any imports unless your country disease free of a variety diseases.Which basically means zero imports is what they want to see. But there are endemic diseases in the US so the rules should be the same for everyone. The science proves that there is no more risk from Canadian cattle than US cattle.So why is r-calf saying other wise. I am so tired of the attacks. Why is r-calf so anti-packer,USDA,feedlot. If all these sectors are mistreating the US cattleman Get off your butt and get together and build your own vertically intergrated system and brand it as ranchers choice and promote it as Producer owned and that you want to porduce a higher qual product and you guys will flourish. I am involved in a group doing this in canada and we are looking at expanding again soon. If the US cattleman want control of his market get off your butt and take it.

 

[HAY MAKER]

Why are canadians so against r-calf, Just look at how and what the goup says about canadian cattle imports. Why are r-calfers against canadians, if one believes the propaganda every animal that goes to the US from Canada has BSE because according to r-calf there is a BSE epidemic in canada, I know that r-calf wants to protect the US beef industry but from what or who? that is a very broad statement. Which allows them alot or reign. Basically from what i have read and seen the group doesn't want to see any imports unless your country disease free of a variety diseases.Which basically means zero imports is what they want to see. But there are endemic diseases in the US so the rules should be the same for everyone. The science proves that there is no more risk from Canadian cattle than US cattle.So why is r-calf saying other wise. I am so tired of the attacks. Why is r-calf so anti-packer,USDA,feedlot. If all these sectors are mistreating the US cattleman Get off your butt and get together and build your own vertically intergrated system and brand it as ranchers choice and promote it as Producer owned and that you want to porduce a higher qual product and you guys will flourish. I am involved in a group doing this in canada and we are looking at expanding again soon. If the US cattleman want control of his market get off your butt and take it.

Thanks for the advice skcat,but I believe R CALF will give the cattle man a much better shot at fairness in the market place than trying to open a packing house .............good luck

 

[skcatlman]

HM having an vocal advocate group is ok ,but owning the vertically intergrated beef company would give you a real say. If you want to keep on sitting on your butt,blaming others, complaining and getting nowhere go with r-calf that is your choice. But i made the decision that i wanted to make profits instead of complaining about low prices. There is only so much r-calf can do if your producer won't standup for themselves. I am saying get a group of producers to feed enough cattle to keep a packing plant full as well as a tannery, a dog food company, bio mass energy plant and sell every thing, if you guys are too short sighted and just want to complain that is your right but i know i want to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. It doesn't matter where cattle are coming from with r-calf you will always have the same problems you are a special interest group in wasshington just like so many others. One question is r-calf paying the executive and lobbists? if so how much?

 

[HAY MAKER]

HM having an vocal advocate group is ok ,but owning the vertically intergrated beef company would give you a real say. If you want to keep on sitting on your butt,blaming others, complaining and getting nowhere go with r-calf that is your choice. But i made the decision that i wanted to make profits instead of complaining about low prices. There is only so much r-calf can do if your producer won't standup for themselves. I am saying get a group of producers to feed enough cattle to keep a packing plant full as well as a tannery, a dog food company, bio mass energy plant and sell every thing, if you guys are too short sighted and just want to complain that is your right but i know i want to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. It doesn't matter where cattle are coming from with r-calf you will always have the same problems you are a special interest group in wasshington just like so many others. One question is r-calf paying the executive and lobbists? if so how much?

skcatman, most cattle men dont want to be meat cutters,they like being what they are,cattle men.
We are not blaming others,sittin on our butt,or being short sighted like you accuse.
We are working hard every day,
R CALF is a cattle mans group that is growing,that is promoting positive change for the industry,these are hard fought battles,slowly but surely fairness will come..........good luck

 

[skcatlman]

HM i am not saying become a meat cutter , i am saying own the value in your produce. Are you happy selling a 600 lb steer at a buck a pound or would you rather sell a beef as steaks and burgers for alot more. Do you want to take the middle man out of the equation and put that cash in your pocket or do you want to give it to someone else. It seems like you want to pay people to lobby for you.

 

[frenchie]

beef 11.

There you go complaining about the US. I've heard alot of crap and seen alot of mudslung at the US and Rcalf over the border closing. It wasn't anything personal towards Canada just the US protecting its industry. I never heard anybody complaining about the Japanese unfairly closing their border. Why are Canadians so against Rcalf? They are just trying to protect themselves.

beef11 it isn,t personal ...get over it..but what did you expect Canucks to do ...let R-calf slander the canadian beef industry in the press and online

R CALF is not slandering anyone,R CALF is bringing facual information to the cattle man,some folks that cant stand the truth.....call it slander ................good luck

PS frencheee.you insult the readers inteligence by playing your little word games (calling the 7 head of cattle that compromised the quarantine zone imaginary)the only thing I see in this deal is your imagining slander.get over it,.

Factual ..what a laff Hay Flake.. 5 questions

What was the mans name that bought these cattle then.

What was the name of the auction he bought them at .

When did he buy them

What the name of the slaughter plant .

Do they slaughter Cdn cattle at that plant.

myself and folks like beef11 are tired of you whining the blues,about factual information.

Then bring some facts to the table if you can.

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As for the case of the seven slaughter cattle rejected by the Nebraska packing plant, Holland said it might turn out that the packing itself may have made a mistake about the origin of rejected cattle. "The first place to look if it involves fat cattle at a slaughter plant is, could the mix-up have occurred right there?" he asked. "To go out there and say, you know, these cattle originated and went through some auction market, the investigation will determine that, but it sure isn't fact to my knowledge.".

 

[skcatlman]

How about this all cattle slaughtered in the US and Canada OTM get tested for BSE and have all presumptive positives samples are comfirmed in the UK to keep everyone honest does r-calf have a problem with that? This Canuk is good with it. How about you YANKS.

 

[Beef11]

HM i am not saying become a meat cutter , i am saying own the value in your produce. Are you happy selling a 600 lb steer at a buck a pound or would you rather sell a beef as steaks and burgers for alot more. Do you want to take the middle man out of the equation and put that cash in your pocket or do you want to give it to someone else. It seems like you want to pay people to lobby for you.

The problem with owning a vertically integrated system is that it is a false sense of profitability on your operation. Remember that your feedlot, trucking company, tannery, kibble plant, slaughterhouse and retail stores must all be profitable in their own right in which case you would be invested in all of these enterprises and make money from all of them (hopefully). Just as well invest in real estate and steel mills while you are at it. If all of the money is to be made on the retail front just be a retailer.

 

[Beef11]

How about this all cattle slaughtered in the US and Canada OTM get tested for BSE and have all presumptive positives samples are comfirmed in the UK to keep everyone honest does r-calf have a problem with that? This Canuk is good with it. How about you YANKS.

This statement really bothers me, first off i'm from Idaho which is not in any way considered a yank state. Those in the Northeast US are Yanks the rest of us are not Yanks and many places that would be an open invitation for brawling. I will excuse you in the for this as i believe it wasn't meant maliciously.

 

[skcatlman]

No it wasn't meant to be malicious , but calling a canadian a canuck is the same thing. So don't call all canadians canucks and i won't refer to americans as yanks.

 

[Beef11]

Don't get me wrong some Americans like to be called yanks mostly its the yanks that prefer it. Those of us that are not yanks don't really cotton to it. Mostly i'm just trying to ruffle your feathers. I'm still not a yank though.

I'm also a 1/4 Canadian