Alchol computers and birds (update)

plumber_greg

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Maybe someone has an idea for me. Some may remember that I accidently (when I had been drinking) ordered a whole bunch of birds. I have approximatly 130 chuckars, 150 quail, and 30 pheasants. I'm gonna' cook them during labor day and feed all of my friends, if I have any that will spend time with me.
Anyone have an idea to mass cook that many birds? Them and the building have already cost way tooo much, so I don't really want to buy some giant smoker or something like that.
How about some reicpies to use? I'm kinda startin' to panic on this deal, need to get something in the works.
Helpppppppppp gs
 
Git you a shovel and dig you a trench. Lay a couple steel fence post across it and cover it with a couple pieces of rusty tin. The original Redneck Smoker. Done it at least 100 times. But if the ground is as hard and dry there as it is here, may have to get a pickax and invite them friends over early. Chicken wire will do as a grill, but its only a one shot deal, and about the only wire you can find that isn't galvanized.
 
Up from bottom has got it right. We used to do it similar to that with 15 green hams and served @ 200 people after graduations at the local high school. Of course we cheated and dug the hole with the backhoe. I took all night but the hams were done for the 12 noon lunch the next day.
 
Seriously, it works great. I have done it two ways. One way, leave a ledge on both sides of the trench, about a foot and a half down and lay some short pieces of pipe across to hold the wire, expanded metal works great. The other way, which I like better is hang the "grill" with wire tied to the post across the top of the trench. It is easier to raise and lower the grill and if you have some help you can pick the whole thing up and set the post across some sawhorses to doctor on the food. In both cases build a big fire out of what ever wood you want to use, in the hole after you get it dug and let it burn down until it is just coals. Cover it up and you are ready. When I cook a whole hog this way i will build a campfire close by and use the coals from it to freshen up the fire in the pit. I keep a couple of full squirt bottles handy to douse any flames.

I have cooked just about everything this way, especially when cooking a whole hog, your going to be there awhile, so I always leave room around the edges to cook smoked sausage, chicken, or whatever, to snack on while I'm cooking. The tenderest meat I've ever ate was cooked this way. I think the hardest thing about it is filling in the trench the next day with a massive headache. :???:
 
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Angus Cowman":2rewvwax said:
This might be worth the drive just to come watch this little spectacle
I will be sure and bring my camera so all the good folks on CT and see the fun if I can make it
Come on up two days early. Caught six quail last night, they're really fast and I need help catching all of them. Then you can help me butcher all of them. gs
 
upfrombottom":plvieo79 said:
Seriously, it works great. I have done it two ways. One way, leave a ledge on both sides of the trench, about a foot and a half down and lay some short pieces of pipe across to hold the wire, expanded metal works great. The other way, which I like better is hang the "grill" with wire tied to the post across the top of the trench. It is easier to raise and lower the grill and if you have some help you can pick the whole thing up and set the post across some sawhorses to doctor on the food. In both cases build a big fire out of what ever wood you want to use, in the hole after you get it dug and let it burn down until it is just coals. Cover it up and you are ready. When I cook a whole hog this way i will build a campfire close by and use the coals from it to freshen up the fire in the pit. I keep a couple of full squirt bottles handy to douse any flames.

I have cooked just about everything this way, especially when cooking a whole hog, your going to be there awhile, so I always leave room around the edges to cook smoked sausage, chicken, or whatever, to snack on while I'm cooking. The tenderest meat I've ever ate was cooked this way. I think the hardest thing about it is filling in the trench the next day with a massive headache. :???:
Just might try this, how deep would you dig the hole for cookin' birds. Oh, wait a minute, NE Arkansas, well, go ahead and tell me.
Thanks gs
 
plumber_greg":1qmil49o said:
Angus Cowman":1qmil49o said:
This might be worth the drive just to come watch this little spectacle
I will be sure and bring my camera so all the good folks on CT and see the fun if I can make it
Come on up two days early. Caught six quail last night, they're really fast and I need help catching all of them. Then you can help me butcher all of them. gs
 
I have seen them done similiar to what Upfrom said but
they dug the hole built the fire and let it cook down then placed tin on top of the coals, wrapped the birds up in heavy aluminium foil and placed them on the tin then covered with more tin and the put dirt on top of that and cooked them for about 4hrs - 6hrs
man they were good eating

I have done hogs,mule deer and beef quarters this way and it was always good but on the quarters we wrapped them in butcher paper and burlap and cooked them for 20-24hrs

as for the depth of our hole it was usually around 6ft
 
Is this the 13th step in the AA program? Sounds like fun nonetheless.

Do you have access to a sheet of expanded metal? This will make a wonderful grate. Just spray it down with cooking oil and let it season in some heat a little before using it. If you can get a 4x8 sheet of expanded metal you should have no trouble cooking this amount of meat. I'd suggest digging a hole about 3'x7'x2.5' deep and laying the grate on top of this then stacking a ring of cinder blocks around the perimeter of the hole to hold down the expanded metal and create place where you can lay a sheet of 4x8 plywood on top of the blocks to hold the heat and smoke. By keeping and opening in both ends you can shovel coals into the openings and you will retain some good heat and good smoke. Here is a picture of something similar but rather than being in the ground it is built up. Both ends have one block width openings and the fire is outside the building and we just collect the coals with shovels. Very easy to cook with. If you had a some cinder blocks laying around you could make a temporary one of these just by stacking the blocks. BTW - this was a cook for about 100 head and we had plenty of drinking time and the birds were wonderful.

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As for cooking the birds I think there are a couple of things you need to be careful of. The cook time for the chuckar and the quail will be considerably less than the pheasant. (never cooked pheasant so I'm just guessing on size) You want to be sure not to overcook the quail or it will taste like dry white meat someone might serve you in a hospital.

To insure against this I'd suggest brining the birds for 24 hours before cooking. Here is a good brine for quail and you can adjust it to suit your numbers.

3 cups water
1 cup vermouth
1/3 cup maple syrup
1/2 cup pickling salt
1 bay leaf crumbled up
2 TBS minced onion
2 garlic cloves crushed (4 is more better)
1 tsp celery seed crushed
1 TBS ground pepper

Put the birds in a cooler and pour this over them and ice them. When you think about it, stir the birds around so each will get plenty of brine time and not rest on each other.

24 hours later, take birds out and rinse them well and lay them out and let them dry in the air for an our or so. They will acquire a glazed look to them. It is very important not to put them in the smoke until they have acquired this glazed look. Personally, I like to wrap them in bacon and pin the bacon to them with toothpics while I'm letting them glaze. Once they have the look, put them in the smoke 225-250 for about an hour and a half and or until the internal temp is 145F and take them off.
 
I've never cooked pheasant, but have cooked quail and doves this way, kinda similar to Jo's way. Most always have something else cooking at the time and just put them on for a snack. They don't take very long to cook so I keep a close eye on them to know when they are done. The concrete block idea is a good one, you can use alot of the dirt from the hole to seal around the edges. Seems like every time I've done it, I do it a little different than the last. Guess that's part of the fun of it. There's still plenty of time to make a test run, cook a chicken and try it on the family. You'll know what you will need to do different.
 
Jogeephus":2k9rulvl said:
Is this the 13th step in the AA program? Sounds like fun nonetheless.

Do you have access to a sheet of expanded metal? This will make a wonderful grate. Just spray it down with cooking oil and let it season in some heat a little before using it. If you can get a 4x8 sheet of expanded metal you should have no trouble cooking this amount of meat. I'd suggest digging a hole about 3'x7'x2.5' deep and laying the grate on top of this then stacking a ring of cinder blocks around the perimeter of the hole to hold down the expanded metal and create place where you can lay a sheet of 4x8 plywood on top of the blocks to hold the heat and smoke. By keeping and opening in both ends you can shovel coals into the openings and you will retain some good heat and good smoke. Here is a picture of something similar but rather than being in the ground it is built up. Both ends have one block width openings and the fire is outside the building and we just collect the coals with shovels. Very easy to cook with. If you had a some cinder blocks laying around you could make a temporary one of these just by stacking the blocks. BTW - this was a cook for about 100 head and we had plenty of drinking time and the birds were wonderful.

Picture22006.jpg


As for cooking the birds I think there are a couple of things you need to be careful of. The cook time for the chuckar and the quail will be considerably less than the pheasant. (never cooked pheasant so I'm just guessing on size) You want to be sure not to overcook the quail or it will taste like dry white meat someone might serve you in a hospital.

To insure against this I'd suggest brining the birds for 24 hours before cooking. Here is a good brine for quail and you can adjust it to suit your numbers.

3 cups water
1 cup vermouth
1/3 cup maple syrup
1/2 cup pickling salt
1 bay leaf crumbled up
2 TBS minced onion
2 garlic cloves crushed (4 is more better)
1 tsp celery seed crushed
1 TBS ground pepper

Put the birds in a cooler and pour this over them and ice them. When you think about it, stir the birds around so each will get plenty of brine time and not rest on each other.

24 hours later, take birds out and rinse them well and lay them out and let them dry in the air for an our or so. They will acquire a glazed look to them. It is very important not to put them in the smoke until they have acquired this glazed look. Personally, I like to wrap them in bacon and pin the bacon to them with toothpics while I'm letting them glaze. Once they have the look, put them in the smoke 225-250 for about an hour and a half and or until the internal temp is 145F and take them off.
Hey Jo my son lived in Alanta for a while.I know about what a plane ticket costs. I'll buy it if you will come up and cook for me. Interested? gs
 
upfrombottom":255jna3t said:
I've never cooked pheasant, but have cooked quail and doves this way, kinda similar to Jo's way. Most always have something else cooking at the time and just put them on for a snack. They don't take very long to cook so I keep a close eye on them to know when they are done. The concrete block idea is a good one, you can use alot of the dirt from the hole to seal around the edges. Seems like every time I've done it, I do it a little different than the last. Guess that's part of the fun of it. There's still plenty of time to make a test run, cook a chicken and try it on the family. You'll know what you will need to do different.
Today, I talked to some of my friends that are gonna' help me and they like the idea of a redneck smoker. Jo probably won't let me put him to work, Angus Cowman only wants to watch, so I'm probably on my own. Got a backhoe to dig the hole with, posts for the cross members, and chicken wire left over. The chuckars are as big as a hen phesant, eaten several of them. gs
 
I wish I had the time to come cause I love to do stuff like ya'll are going to do. I'd drive though and bring Wilbur II with me. We could cook up that many and then some. Those are some big chukars of course I may not know exactly what a chukar is. I think I shot one once while quail hunting it got up under my foot and when he got to the end of my barrell I pulled the trigger. When I picked him up he didn't look that big.

I think you'll find its easier than you think to cook this stuff. Timing is the important part. I agree with Upfrombottom that you ought to make a test run first. The thing that will bite you is the side items like cole slaw and tater salad. Hopefully you can delegate this to someone else so you can watch the fire and drink beer like your supposed to.
 
It went great, thanks guys. We ended up borrowing a cooker and grilled, smoked and drank beer and whiskey. Forgot the durn camera, but got some pics of the birds beforehand. Fed probably 75 people. They all brought a dish and we had birds left over. Was just thinking of chuckar salad sandwiches this morn. Gonna' try to make some. Still probably have 30 chuckars and 50 quail left over.
Decided the pheasants needed to grow some more. 12 weeks weren't long enough on them. We're thinking of trying again in a few weeks.
Plucking wasn't so bad, just time consuming. A friend brought over a chicken plucker and got most of the feathers off right at the start. Wasn't very good at it in the beginning, then got really good and fast in the middle, then got bad again at the end. So depending on when your bird was butchered was directly related to how many feathers you ate. gs
 
plumber_greg":17gc37f8 said:
......Wasn't very good at it in the beginning, then got really good and fast in the middle, then got bad again at the end.......

I bet the "end" was directly related to the amount of beer and whiskey consumed :nod: :nod: :nod:
 
Nowland Farms":35pku64g said:
plumber_greg":35pku64g said:
......Wasn't very good at it in the beginning, then got really good and fast in the middle, then got bad again at the end.......

I bet the "end" was directly related to the amount of beer and whiskey consumed :nod: :nod: :nod:
You're exactly right, bad thing is we're talking about doin' it again. Getting too old to do it as often as I use to. gs
 

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