Age Limit on Social Media

[ccr]

45 years ago when I was in high school a bunch of folks had guns on a rack in their pickups. We never had any problems with guns at school.

What was different then, than now other than social media?

 

[Caustic Burno]

45 years ago when I was in high school a bunch of folks had guns on a rack in their pickups. We never had any problems with guns at school.

What was different then, than now other than social media?

24 hour media cycle I wouldn't call it news goes with it.

 

[bball]

45 years ago when I was in high school a bunch of folks had guns on a rack in their pickups. We never had any problems with guns at school.

What was different then, than now other than social media?

24 hour media cycle I wouldn't call it news goes with it.

Along with societal norms, mores and values...

 

[Bright Raven]

45 years ago when I was in high school a bunch of folks had guns on a rack in their pickups. We never had any problems with guns at school.

What was different then, than now other than social media?

I was in high school 52 years ago. Pendleton County High. You had to get written permission to drive to School versus using the School Bus. Even in rural Kentucky, you could not bring a gun to School. I can only guess it was that way in other counties.

What was different other than social media? Most of us didn't have access to anything but a single barrel shotgun and a single shot .22 bolt action rifle. I remember seeing my first pump action shotgun. They were uncommon. Now, kids have uzis before they start school. When they turn 16 they have 50 caliber machine guns on jacked up pickups that look like tanks.

 

[Bestoutwest]

For a bunch of folks that hate more government this is surprising.

 

[Bright Raven]

For a bunch of folks that hate more government this is surprising.

I already said that.

 

[Brute 23]

Right now social media is some what of a free for all with very few rules or much recourse.

If you sell a gun to a minor or felon there are punishments.

If you sell alcohol to a minor or even over serve an adult you can be held accountable.

If you are a teacher or nurse or many other professions you can have criminal charges brought against you for not reporting certain things.

Should some of these social media websites be held accountable? They do have the technology to enforce it if they wanted to.

 

[Caustic Burno]

For a bunch of folks that hate more government this is surprising.

Not really as propaganda and indoctrination is what got us in WWII.
If Goebbels would have had social media we might have lost.

 

[greybeard]

I believe a good portion of parents ARE doing their job. When you objectively look at the number of schools in this nation in comparison to the number of shooting events that have occurred, it just isnt the 'epidemic' our media would have you believe.

Brings up the old questions...........
"Just how many cows does it take to make a stampede Earl..more than 2...3 or more?"
and
"How many barbarians does it take to quantify as a horde?"

The relevant question tho, is: "How many school shoot ups is too many?
The only reasonable answer is '1'.

Or how many kids need to overdose on heroin? Die in a drunk driving accident? Be abused? Die at the hands of gang violence? The answer is always NONE. The point is, media is sensationalizing these fairly low percentage occurrences(when compared to other deadly higher percentage problems kids face) because they have an agenda. Grabbing assault rifles will not stop this. This country is past that now. These kids are committing acts of terror on one another. That will not be reversed now. You guys like to call it 'closing the barn after the horse is already out.' Society has shifted and will continue to shift. The only constant is change...this one is not for the better.

Media, did not do this in a vacuum or on their own.

Should some of these social media websites be held accountable?

Accountable for what their clients post? That too, would be a tough row to hoe. I do know that lawsuits filed to hold firearm manufacturers responsible after Sandy Hook were thrown out of court, (and I agree with the courts) so I would assume the same would hold true for social media providers.
Social media does (begrudgingly and occasionally) delete postings but afaik, the best or most they 'might' be able to do is forward questionable or troubling posts to the authorities. Then, the problem of the authorities finding out who the person making the posts actually is (or if they even actually made the post) would be a daunting problem for the authorities as well. The FBI was informed of a social media post the Fla school shooter allegedly made, using his real name and the FBI was unable to determine who actually posted the message.

Think about it Brute..the FBI, NSA, and CIA already use state of the art algorithms with the best supercomputers tax $ can buy and still miss a lot of information regarding terrorism. Do we really think FB/Twitter/Instagram are going to be able to do better?

Here, is a sampling of how big the chore would be:

There are more than 1.6 billion daily users on Facebook
Every 15 minutes or 8 per second 7,246 people are added on Facebook
Every minute there are 150,000 messages sent
There are 500,000 Facebook "likes" every minute
79% users are using Facebook from their mobile
745 million daily mobile users
Over 350 million photo uploaded daily
Average 21 minutes users spend on Facebook daily
927 million hours users spend on playing Facebook games per month
Facebook generates $1.4 million in revenue every hour
Nearly 4.6 billion likes are generated everyday
75% of Facebook's ad revenue comes from mobile advertising
There are 40 million active small business pages
People share 1.3 million pieces of content on Facebook every minute of every day
1,00,000 friend request made on Facebook every minute
There are 890 million people log in to Facebook daily
52% users are female and 48% users are male
There are estimated 81 million fake Facebook profiles
1 billion mobile app link enabled on Facebook
34.5% of users are between 18 to 29 age group
Image posts get 179% more interaction than average Facebook post
Posts ending with question get 162% more interactions than normal post
140 number of language available on Facebook
Facebook drives 23% of all website traffic
30% of the U.S. population gets its daily news on Facebook

30% of the U.S. population gets its daily news on Facebook
Tweet

There are 100 million daily active users on Twitter
There are 325 million monthly active users on Twitter
78% of users are using Twitter on their mobile device
Twitter ad cost 33 % less than other paid channels
Total 500 million tweets are sent per day
55% are female users and 45% are male users
63% of brands worldwide have multiple Twitter accounts
About 71% of tweets are ignored and only 23% generate a reply
81% millennials check Twitter at least once a day
29% promoted tweets boost offline sales
37% Twitter users are aged between 18 to 29
86% Tweet including link have higher engagement rate
88% of B2B marketers are using Twitter for sharing content
42% international brands post 10 tweets per day on average
65.8 % US companies use Twitter for marketing
There are 391 million Twitter accounts with no followers
81% Twitter user has less than 50 followers
44% of Twitter account have no tweets
46% of Twitter users follow news organizations
58% of top brand have over 1,00,000 followers
86% ad revenue comes from mobile
Tweet with image receive 18% more click through rate
Average 170 minutes users spend on Twitter
There are approx 20 million fake Twitter users
29% user consider desktop and laptop for tweeting

Pinterest and Instagram have similar stats.
There are 75 millions daily active users on Instagram
Almost 85 million videos and photos people are uploaded everyday
And these stats, are 2 years old.
https://www.socialpilot.co/blog/125-ama ... -know-2016

 

[bball]

Brings up the old questions...........
"Just how many cows does it take to make a stampede Earl..more than 2...3 or more?"
and
"How many barbarians does it take to quantify as a horde?"

The relevant question tho, is: "How many school shoot ups is too many?
The only reasonable answer is '1'.

Or how many kids need to overdose on heroin? Die in a drunk driving accident? Be abused? Die at the hands of gang violence? The answer is always NONE. The point is, media is sensationalizing these fairly low percentage occurrences(when compared to other deadly higher percentage problems kids face) because they have an agenda. Grabbing assault rifles will not stop this. This country is past that now. These kids are committing acts of terror on one another. That will not be reversed now. You guys like to call it 'closing the barn after the horse is already out.' Society has shifted and will continue to shift. The only constant is change...this one is not for the better.

Media, did not do this in a vacuum or on their own.

I didnt imply that media did it in a vacuum. I am keenly aware that the media has plenty of folks engaged via web, television, radio or paper. Are you implying that we all are culpable since we consume their product? Similar to the pornography debate, the consumer is just as culpable as the producer because without the consumer there would be no purpose for the product?

In several of my posts i have pointed out many of the issues surrounding this topic, including families, govt agencies, school officials, society as a whole and the media. Specifically, the media isnt banging the drums about the loss of over 4500 children to drug overdose in 2016. Its not sensational enough. It wont generate the clicks that one of these fairly rare(thankfully) unfortunate events does. 120 people die every day from drug overdose in this country. A fair number of them are children. Does anyone know? Or care?(other than the family) Hard to say. The war on drugs was 'hot' for the media back in the 80s. Today, its kids shooting up schools. By your own admission, you believe the media provides a vehicle to continue this behavior because the shooters do this for the notoriety(paraphrase).
My point is these events are being utilized and manipulated by many in media and other agenda driven organizations to advance their agenda; when there are significantly greater threats to our youth on a percentage basis. This is disingenuous at the least.

 

[KMURBAN]

IMO the age limit on social media should be 65.

 

[Rafter S]

I'm getting behind the push to put an age limit on social media. Who else thinks you need to be at least 18 years old to get on FB, Twitter, or other social media outlets?

I'm late to the party here, and haven't read all the responses, but I think parenting should be left to parents as much as possible.

 

[BRYANT]

I'm late to the party here, and haven't read all the responses, but I think parenting should be left to parents as much as possible.

I agree, that's why we have so many school shooting, no respect for authority, no respect for adults, and the list could go on and on. Parents have not took their kidos out to visit the wood shed enough. As long as my kids slid their legs under my table to eat they knew I had a say in what went on.

 

[Midtenn]

As far as government mandated age limits, it should be done on the state and local level, if at all. Anyone 18 or over is an adult and should have the same rights as all adults, including buying alcohol. Age limits really should be set by parents, but some parents are idiots, and that's where we have to have laws mandating such things as driving, buying and carrying guns, etc.
I firmly believe driving, carrying weapons, drinking alcohol, and everything else should be governed locally. Folks on this forum probably had kids in junior high that could drive and shoot way safer than any 30 year old in Chicago. Federal government needs to step aside.

 

[greybeard]

As far as government mandated age limits, it should be done on the state and local level, if at all. Anyone 18 or over is an adult and should have the same rights as all adults, including buying alcohol. Age limits really should be set by parents, but some parents are idiots, and that's where we have to have laws mandating such things as driving, buying and carrying guns, etc.
I firmly believe driving, carrying weapons, drinking alcohol, and everything else should be governed locally. Folks on this forum probably had kids in junior high that could drive and shoot way safer than any 30 year old in Chicago. Federal government needs to step aside.

I understand what you're saying in regards to state rights, but even aside from the unenforceable nature of this particular beast, regardless of what any state statute says, you/they etc will have a LOT of trouble keeping bits and bytes of data from escaping over a state line into or out of a 'free speech' state...

 

[greybeard]

I didnt imply that media did it in a vacuum. I am keenly aware that the media has plenty of folks engaged via web, television, radio or paper. Are you implying that we all are culpable since we consume their product? Similar to the pornography debate, the consumer is just as culpable as the producer because without the consumer there would be no purpose for the product?

In several of my posts i have pointed out many of the issues surrounding this topic, including families, govt agencies, school officials, society as a whole and the media. Specifically, the media isnt banging the drums about the loss of over 4500 children to drug overdose in 2016. Its not sensational enough. It wont generate the clicks that one of these fairly rare(thankfully) unfortunate events does. 120 people die every day from drug overdose in this country. A fair number of them are children. Does anyone know? Or care?(other than the family) Hard to say. The war on drugs was 'hot' for the media back in the 80s. Today, its kids shooting up schools. By your own admission, you believe the media provides a vehicle to continue this behavior because the shooters do this for the notoriety(paraphrase).
My point is these events are being utilized and manipulated by many in media and other agenda driven organizations to advance their agenda; when there are significantly greater threats to our youth on a percentage basis. This is disingenuous at the least.

The media, chooses the banners they wish to carry, based on what will $ell..and who will buy and they do so at any given time. To use a phrase from the not-too-distant-past, Never Let a Crisis go to Waste.
The opioid thing was so last month, it doesn't even get a sub-headline today, not to mention that there are so many adults in the professional world (including media and Hollywood) addicted to pain killers that the media isn't about to raise too much cain about it.

Are we part of the problem?
Well, in just Coffee Shop, there are now 6 active threads about the shooting and many of the posts revolve around this young moron that did the shooting. You tell me.?

 

[bball]

The media, chooses the banners they wish to carry, based on what will $ell..and who will buy and they do so at any given time. To use a phrase from the not-too-distant-past, Never Let a Crisis go to Waste.
The opioid thing was so last month, it doesn't even get a sub-headline today, not to mention that there are so many adults in the professional world (including media and Hollywood) addicted to pain killers that the media isn't about to raise too much cain about it.

Are we part of the problem??
Well, in just Coffee Shop, there are now 6 active threads about the shooting and many of the posts revolve around this young moron that did the shooting. You tell me.?[/quote]

I highlighted in bold the parts of your post that resonated with me.
The answer is YES. For some reason, we humans have a 'dark curiosity'. Its why we cant look away at an auto accident or cant stop posting about this shooter for example.
The question i have is how do we disengage from the media? How do we send a message that we want objectivity, facts, truth; not a spin, manipulation, agenda or sensationalism.
I get my news from my radio while driving, BBC on the web and whatever gets posted here at CT. I flat refuse to watch any of the talking heads.
I know that isnt enough. Something more has to be done by 'we the people'.