$40,000 Simmental Bull

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this document web posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 20050127p62

By Barbara Duckworth
Calgary bureau

DENVER, Colo. - A black Simmental bull calf that has been creating a buzz since the day it was born sold for $40,000 US at the National Western Stock Show.

And that youngster went to a Canadian buyer after the Remington Cattle Co. of Del Bonita, Alta., beat out bidders from across the United States.

The calf's potential was recognized immediately, said John McBee, manager of Grindstone Creek Farms in Sturgeon, Missouri. Buyers starting sniffing around when the bull was four months old, but owners Michael Kaplan and Chris Bell-Kaplan wanted to hold out for the Denver show.

"Genex has been trying to buy this calf since he was four months old," said McBee. "He's one of the best calves to ever hit the Simmental breed."

The calf went for a full semen interest and two-thirds possession and the semen distributor Genex has leased the bull for its sire lineup.

Named GCF First Dream P13, the calf was born February 2004 and is among the first out of a mating between two high powered black Simmentals named Dream On and First Glance.

The calf was reserve champion at the Kansas City stock show and stood second in a large class at Denver.

Bidders from the Simmental, Angus and Maine Anjou breeds were interested because the bull not only had the correct physical appearance, but also statistics to back up his worth.

It gained an average of four pounds per day and weighed 1,305 lb. on sale day.

Ultrasound tests showed a backfat of 2/10ths of an inch and a ribeye of 16.5 sq. inches. It is polled and heterozygous black.

While large and sturdy for its age, the bull has smooth, clean lines and is an easy walker.

The farm also won the reserve grand champion pen of bulls at the show earlier in the week and sold a heifer in the sale for $8,500.

Grindstone Creek Farms' breeding program uses Black Angus, Simmental and Maine Anjou.

The farm has about 200 cows with a major embryo transplant program.

Halfblood bulls are gaining popularity in the U.S. among commercial producers, so the farm has developed a hybrid program to address their requests. Purebred and halfblood bulls are sold through annual on-farm bull sales.

"It's opened up the market for us using these other breeds," said McBee
 
I can't help but notice that he is heterozygous black. One of the things I didn't like about the last Simm-Angus bull was that he was heterozygous black. On my mixed commercial herd, I was getting calves of every color. Seems like the buyers up here like the blacks so you get discounted for anything else. Anyway, that's alot of money for a bull calf.
 
That's kinda neat to me. I just talked to the Kaplans a couple of weeks ago about looking at some bulls, but they never got back to me. In the meantime, we found one we liked so I guess I won't get to go look at their herd. I live about and hour from sturgeon.

Something else I find interesting is, in talking to various local simme breaders, I get the impression that the Kaplan's are not too well liked. Good cattle I hear, but a little to high in the head. Oh well, to each his own.
 
Well.. just to be the "bad guy" in this thread, I have to mention that if you read between the lines, the real "worth" of the bull right now is the MARKETING STRATEGY. While I'm sure he's a nice bull, whoever bought him is hoping his progeny will stand the test of time. There are a lot of bulls in the industry that were "hot" when the first came on the scene, but slowly slid away into the dust when their calves hit the ground.

I guess I'm just old and cynical when it comes to a lot of hype. You really have to be a good enough cattleman in your own right that you know good cattle, or what appeals to you, when you see them, and to look beyond the marketing strategies.
 
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TheBullLady":16lfhdth said:
Well.. just to be the "bad guy" in this thread, I have to mention that if you read between the lines, the real "worth" of the bull right now is the MARKETING STRATEGY. While I'm sure he's a nice bull, whoever bought him is hoping his progeny will stand the test of time. There are a lot of bulls in the industry that were "hot" when the first came on the scene, but slowly slid away into the dust when their calves hit the ground.

I guess I'm just old and cynical when it comes to a lot of hype. You really have to be a good enough cattleman in your own right that you know good cattle, or what appeals to you, when you see them, and to look beyond the marketing strategies.

I agree with you completely. Every year there are Angus bulls sold for thousands of dollars, marketed like crazy and never heard from after the first year or two. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that a lot of that (in the Angus breed, at least) starts in the show ring. I try to ignore the hype and wait until the bull is proven before I use him....
 
Guess all breeds of bulls (including Longhorn Bulls) have their "hot" bull of the week value...lol. It's like driving in snow/ice road conditions: Delay your travel until all of the "have to get there now" people check out the road, spin out, hit the ditch, then you can start out after the roads are clear.

Another thing is that "hot" bulls are periodically purchased by breeders that want to be first with the most expensive so they can brag about how expensive or "important" their bull is. Sometimes breeders will get in a bidding competition to pay the most and beat out another bidder...happens with both cows & bulls.

Also...don't forget the breeding value of the cow...she should be at least 50% of the success of any calf!
 
Some people buy a 40,000.00 bull for other reasons. He would help their program . They can depreciate him off their taxes . If he works then they can get their money back in a different tax year over a period of time. Not all deals are crooked and not all deals are one sided.
 
Sometimes no real money changes hands. It's just a ruse to be able to have bragging rights to a top dollar bull, when the bids were ran up to inflate the amount of that top dollar figure. Naaah, they wouldn't do that would they :shock: ;-) ? Slightly different scenario, I was at a registered cattle sale last year and got to watch a couple of good ol boys bumping bids for their buddies and they ended up getting stuck with 3 cow/calf pairs :lol: :lol: :lol:. It seems the real buyers weren't as impressed as they had hoped they would be.
 
"Bidders from the Simmental, Angus and Maine Anjou breeds were interested because the bull not only had the correct physical appearance, but also statistics to back up his worth."

The interesting thing was that TC Ranch was also bidding right to the end.
 
eric":hl0ghq7s said:
"The calf went for a full semen interest and 2/3's possession..."

What does that mean and how does it work?

I know that is what the article says, but, my guess is it really is:
Full possession & 2/3 interest in semen.
The way the article is written it means the new buyer has full ownership & control of the semen the bull produces and they purchased 2/3 possession. The seller still owns 1/3 interest in the live bull.


The interesting thing was that TC Ranch was also bidding right to the end.

Who is TC Ranch??
 

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