120 bred Brafords
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MurraysMutts
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If the price was right, I might!U won't!
No such thing with that guy. He sells to people with more money than sense.
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He has them priced the same as I would sell them for, but no room for me to buy them and make any money.
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Dunno why you'd think they can't breed in 45 days. I suspect these all got bred the first few days they were in heat with a bull in the pasture. But having 120 heifers to calve at one time, is a lot of work. I'd prefer them to be spread out a little myself. No advantage in trying to sell more than 5 or 6 at a time down here. The larger the group, the lower the price they will bring. You bid on the worst one in the group. Unless they announce pick and choose, where bidder can take 1, or all, or any amount in between. These 120 heifers are not from one 120 cow herd. He put these together from multiple sources, and they are bred by a lot of different bulls.
Isn't that what I just said.
Clay was on here but ran for cover pretty quick. He prefers a one way deal where he can control the narrative. This is too much freedom of discussion for his business.
I'll go ahead and remind people of my experience so it stays with this thread as a review of his business.
I drove to George West to look at a group of cattle after setting it all up on the phone with him. I showed up with check in hand and they couldn't find the cattle. It was a group of around 30 and I caught a glimpse of about 5-8 in the brush. The guy showing them to me was really nice and kept appalogizing to me. We even went and had lunch in town after. He told me they would gather them up and work them next week and he would call me a head of time to come look at them.
It was an easy deal. I can work with people. The guy seemed genuine so I was willing to work with them.
The next morning Clay calls and said... so are you going to buy the cattle. No hello, how are you, sorry about the mix up... Are you going buy the cattle!?! I asked him if he talked with his guy and he said yes.well then you should know we didn't even find all the cattle and only saw a few cutting through the brush. He said some thing to the effect that should be good enough and there are pics online. I told him the guy I was with said I could coke back next week that they would penned and I could look through them. He fired back... I don't have time for tire kickers... either buy them or don't. I'm not buying cattle that I didn't even see and he hung up.
It was complete non-sense. I called the other guy back and told him what went on and he was pretty disappointed. He was a partner with him and put up some of the money and housed some of the cattle if I remember right. That guy was super nice but Clay was an A-hole.
Only thing I can say good about Clay is, I leanerd a good lesson early on, don't put up with BS out of no cattle peddler. Good cattle sell themselves and any one that has to push that hard, is pushing for a reason.
Now that I have got to know more about him, he did me a favor.
I'll go ahead and remind people of my experience so it stays with this thread as a review of his business.
I drove to George West to look at a group of cattle after setting it all up on the phone with him. I showed up with check in hand and they couldn't find the cattle. It was a group of around 30 and I caught a glimpse of about 5-8 in the brush. The guy showing them to me was really nice and kept appalogizing to me. We even went and had lunch in town after. He told me they would gather them up and work them next week and he would call me a head of time to come look at them.
It was an easy deal. I can work with people. The guy seemed genuine so I was willing to work with them.
The next morning Clay calls and said... so are you going to buy the cattle. No hello, how are you, sorry about the mix up... Are you going buy the cattle!?! I asked him if he talked with his guy and he said yes.well then you should know we didn't even find all the cattle and only saw a few cutting through the brush. He said some thing to the effect that should be good enough and there are pics online. I told him the guy I was with said I could coke back next week that they would penned and I could look through them. He fired back... I don't have time for tire kickers... either buy them or don't. I'm not buying cattle that I didn't even see and he hung up.
It was complete non-sense. I called the other guy back and told him what went on and he was pretty disappointed. He was a partner with him and put up some of the money and housed some of the cattle if I remember right. That guy was super nice but Clay was an A-hole.
Only thing I can say good about Clay is, I leanerd a good lesson early on, don't put up with BS out of no cattle peddler. Good cattle sell themselves and any one that has to push that hard, is pushing for a reason.
Now that I have got to know more about him, he did me a favor.
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We calve 130 to 200 heifers every year in 30 to 45 days. Yes it can be a lot of work but uniformity in calves sells. Add in the fact that a heifer that is a shy breeder will nearly always be a shy breeder. Late cows have smaller calves at shipping time and I am thinking a far bigger share of producers sell their whole calf crop at once rather than a few at a time like the year round calving people do. If I needed the expansion I MIGHT extend the breeding season to 60 days but it rarely makes sense when one can purchase earlier bred females for not much more than the lates are worth to others.
Are they put together as calves and he bred them or pieced together from others selling bred heifers? If purchased as breds, how can they be guaranteed bred to low bw bulls? Not pointing fingers but there are no bigger stretchers of truth than sellers of bred cattle. I myself might not share all I know about a group of cows we may have for sale but I will answer any questions truthfully.
@gcreekrch he likely is just brokering those and does not own any if them.
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Glad to hear this. I don't care how good they are, or how cheap he offered them, I know what I would have said if he asked me: "so are you going to buy the cattle or not." I would say "That is gonna be a big, fat, H*LL NO!" Life is too short to have to put up with a$$holes.
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$2200 if you take them all.
Red flag.
When I'm trying to buy cattle I always look at what Clay has to offer but usually he is too high for me. However, if I had a large nice group to sell I'd most likely call him. Finding cattle like he brokers is hard to do now days. If you want anything other the commercial cross or Angus cross it takes allot of looking and the guys know what they've got.
