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Let me be clear. I was in no way questioning the morals of anyone. I was simply making a generalized statement about our duty to each other and the public as beef producers. I apologize if that wasn't clear in my earlier message.

Whew.... throw a little water on this fire..... or maybe gasoline. :D As cattle producers we all have a moral obligation to the next guy to try and produce the very best cattle we can produce. This little Hereford bull is representing the vast majority of the cattle producers in the US...

Im going to be completely honest. You need to pick either beef or dairy and focus on that. If you pick beef, then go with a beef animal. I dont think you understand that even a dual purpose animal will have to raise the calf at her side or else you will have to feed it, and you are not going...

For me as a commercial guy, I look first at the frame score of the bull. I want to stay in between 50-55 cm. Second I look at the epd's. I retain my own heifers and the epds are important on both sides of the equation. I need as high a growth animal as possible with really strong maternal...

I have about 25 daughter that I retained myself out of Lead On and I love them. They are all easy keepers and breed back every time. Their mothers were connection daughters, and so they are 1/4 connection and 1/2 Lead On. It has been a great cross for me.

If you took some of those red babies and crossed them with a red or black angus bull you would really have something, and you wouldnt get docked at the barn as bad. Now if you have a niche market down there then I say get after it cuz they will be some calf raisers.