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I'll second that. I think it depends on your perspective. There are two types of people who farm. Farmers that farm with money and farmers that farm for money. Depending on which one you fit your whole perspective is different.

Also a jersey/angus calf might not grow as big or fit "the box" but is great to sell for freezer beef and if finished will easily be the best quality beef you can buy. Although yield will suffer. BTW did you know that next to Waygu, Jersey will marble better than any other breed of cattle...

You guys ever heard of dairy beef? There a lot of holstein and holstein X angus steers that end up hamburger. Where I live in PA dairies are the dominant form of farming. Lots of holstein x angus bull calves at the sale barns bought to feed out for hamburger and will even grade as good as...

One of our herd bull has a little white on his underbelly. The herd he came from has some cows with a little white on the udder as well. Its uncommon in my experience but not un heard of.

What kind of conception % do you get using AI. We've always used natural service but I'm going to AI some next summer.

Hereford would be my choice. We have used that cross for a long time and the two breeds seem to compliment each other pretty well. If you live in a warmer wetter climate and want to produce a high quality (prime grade) carcass and don't mind sacrificing some yield use a jersey bull!

BTW...purebred- belonging to a recognized breed with characters maintained through generations of UNMIXED descent. I think that is pretty realistic. I might also add that if mixed descent is discovered that animal should be culled. Not use another breed to "upgrade" or change hide color.

Instead of belittle maybe I should have used the word patronize because I don't buy their line of BS! Doc Harris, I've been around businesses of all types and sad to say that I have run a across more crooks in the cattle and livestock industry than in any other. So until I know more about...

You have a valid point I wish there was some way to get some red genetics into my blacks but still have them registered.

Or they slicker at deceiving the commercial cattleman!

Amen! dun, totally hypothetical would you be in favor of a merger between red and black angus assoc. I ask in most other parts of the world they only have one assoc. for both reds and blacks!

You don't have belittle of get your point across. And yes our cattle our purebred! Only have bought from three different breeders that have impeccable reputations for over 50 years.

How can you "borrow" a trait? If these traits came from Angus influence then they don't have a "pure" status anymore! Isn't it a little dishonest to try to pass of your cattle as CAB when you know they aren't? Or maybe they are? Maybe there's more Angus influence than you think. You have...

I can see how their are extremes in every breed. But why then is their the big push toward black composites if one breed isn't superior to another? Why have the simmis and other breeds totally lost their traditional identity and appearance? Black Herefords? Black Simmis? Black Charalois...

I tend not to take what the universities say as gospel. They are funded not just with tax dollars but with corporate money and will say what the corporate sponsor wants them too. For the last 30 years the tail has been wagging the dog in the beef industry. Since the import of continental...

"There is more difference WITHIN a breed, than there is BETWEEN breeds." Quotes like that get more and more cattleman in trouble everyday.

No, we only register replacement heifers and bulls that would make a good herd sire. Steers don't get papers nor do heifers that won't make a good replacement.

We register our in the 4-10 month window. After 10 months the price goes up and by 10 months you have a pretty good idea if the animal is worth registering.

I wouldn't say poor management. I would say trying to get a square peg to fit in a round hole. What I mean is that most of the continental breeds were bred and developed for a dual or even triple purpose. Milk, meat, and labor. Few breeds were bred solely for beef. None of the continental...

The simmethal breed at least in the US has been mongrelized (as have some other breeds) to fit the current fad in the beef industry. I recently asked the question on another message board where the "black simmis" came from. A very well informed poster said they were developed from a "black...