Wagyu.....

There is some kind of program this dude was telling me about last year, Or maybe the year before. I don't remember all of the details, but he was saying you could join the association, and breed your cows to approved Wagyu bulls enrolled in that program, He said when you sold them, you cut out a chunk of ear, and sent it in along with the receipt you got from the sale barn that day, and they would send you a check for whatever it took to make your calves sell for 20%.. or maybe it was 20 cents per pound....over the top price paid for calves that day at that barn for that weight class. He had come by wanting to buy some of my Corriente cows. While he was there, he was telling us about it, and tried to talk us into doing that with our Corr herd. He had enrolled bulls, he said. I said no thanks, but everytime I bought a load of Corrientes, he would come by and buy the nom-solid red or black ones I had. He bought up about 70 head over several loads, til one day he said he wasn't going to buy anymore, that he had enough. Seems like you had to pay, or they deducted, $26 ( or might have been $16) for the test on that chunk of ear you sent in. Maybe @Mountaintown Creek Ranch or another Wagyu breeder on here knows more about that.
 
There is some kind of program this dude was telling me about last year, Or maybe the year before. I don't remember all of the details, but he was saying you could join the association, and breed your cows to approved Wagyu bulls enrolled in that program, He said when you sold them, you cut out a chunk of ear, and sent it in along with the receipt you got from the sale barn that day, and they would send you a check for whatever it took to make your calves sell for 20%.. or maybe it was 20 cents per pound....over the top price paid for calves that day at that barn for that weight class. He had come by wanting to buy some of my Corriente cows. While he was there, he was telling us about it, and tried to talk us into doing that with our Corr herd. He had enrolled bulls, he said. I said no thanks, but everytime I bought a load of Corrientes, he would come by and buy the nom-solid red or black ones I had. He bought up about 70 head over several loads, til one day he said he wasn't going to buy anymore, that he had enough. Seems like you had to pay, or they deducted, $26 ( or might have been $16) for the test on that chunk of ear you sent in. Maybe @Mountaintown Creek Ranch or another Wagyu breeder on here knows more about that.
That’s about right. You get a premium, for sure. And your calves don’t sell one at a time or in small groups. You get a set price for all of them.

I was also told it didn’t matter what kind of dam you used, as long as it didn’t have too much ear.

I’m going with quality dams as insurance and to try to get heavier weaning weights.
 
Pretty sure this was a recycled post.

If the Waygu folks don't offer premiums and extras, than it probably doesn't pencil. Also:

1st-calf heifer caveat: Aren't all calves out of 1st calf heifers typically smaller? The weaning weight stats need to readjust for this factor. My partner told me the calves wean at 500 or more lbs. Typically, calves in central Texas wean at 525 to 625. I don't see a 100 plus# difference.

Vigor caveat: I was told Waygu X calves are F1's and pop up and have lots of vigor. Maybe Oregon is harder on small calves? Fall calving season in Texas is quite mild. Spring also.

Partnership caveat: Yes, a premium price is needed, a free or very cheap bull rental, and extras like feed-cost savings. These move the needle back towards great deal from decent deal.

Agree: Waygu cattle are not much to look at. But, then again, neither are Corrientes. I train myself to look at the spreadsheet:).

Best argument for the deal: Asia and the US are consuming more and more Waygu beef. Contrary to what some say, it's not a fad and it won't go away. Kroger has Akuashi beef on sale now. I bought some in July. I'd buy it again.


More ranchers should jump on this bandwagon and provide some competition to the CAB premium brand! As many like @Travlr have pointed out, CAB has dominated the premium section of the freezer too easily. It will make beef better for everyone, I think. And again, the small producer begins to have more choice. Competition is good! But, I ain't against raising CAB, either. Just looking for a good deal:).
I was just telling the real life story of what I observe in my contact with a fairly good size group of Wagyu. It sure isn't a bed of roses. There are certainly some pluses but also some negatives. This neighbor who has 300 Wagyu cows calves out a total of about 2,000 cows. If it is such a money maker why doesn't he breed all his cows to Wagyu?
 
Actually, I'm selling my Wagyu calves to a partner, so not quite that long. And I have calves on the ground from this year, so cash flow is ok.

Using a black Waygu bull. However, I've got three very young heifers out of this guy. I would almost swear he's Akuashi. So I could end up with some 3/4 Waygu calves, perhaps.

You're right about a long road, though. It's taken me 5 years to get my grass going, another 3 to get my herd up to over 10 females.

But the future is looking bright.

Just had American Waygu beef for dinner tonight hotpot style. Good beef!
Very nice
 
I was just telling the real life story of what I observe in my contact with a fairly good size group of Wagyu. It sure isn't a bed of roses. There are certainly some pluses but also some negatives. This neighbor who has 300 Wagyu cows calves out a total of about 2,000 cows. If it is such a money maker why doesn't he breed all his cows to Wagyu?
My partner just started doing that. Said he gets way more per calf.

You'll have to ask your neighbor why he doesn't.

Me? I'd want to raise my own replacements and remain diversified if the market changed.

Farmer feeders want a different way to send their corn to town if the corn market tanks, so they don't do just one thing or another. Some of them add YouTube for extra income, too.

Don't know much about the Oregon cattle business, but I'd say the people who have 2000 cows are probably not into just cows. They probably have about 5 to 10 different angles on making money. Just a thought.

I don't rely on my herd for income. My partner also has multiple streams. So we're already diversified. I thought we were being smart by following the well-off folks' lead :).

Just a guess.
 
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My partner just started doing that. Said he gets way more per calf.

You'll have to ask your neighbor why he doesn't.

Me? I'd want to raise my own replacements and remain diversified if the market changed.

Farmer feeders want a different way to send their corn to town if the corn market tanks, so they don't do just one thing or another. Some of them add YouTube for extra income, too.

Don't know much about the Oregon cattle business, but I'd say the people who have 2000 cows are probably not into just cows. They probably have about 5 to 10 different angles on making money. Just a thought.

I don't rely on my herd for income. My partner also has multiple streams. So we're already diversified. I thought we were being smart by following the well-off folks' lead :).

Just a guess.
Neighbor is by far mostly cattle. Has made some in real estate but it was all real estate which he originally purchased for cattle. He grew up dirt poor in a huge family but is a very hard worker and extremely intelligent. There is 6 brothers and 5 sisters. Ten of them were valedictorian of their high school class. 5 of the 6 boys have very big cattle operations and they inherited nothing but a work ethic.
Most ranchers spend money on good bulls. He has a small herd of registered cows (Angus and Charolais) which he breeds AI and raises his own bulls for less than it cost to buy them. He is not afraid to sell or buy cattle as an opportunity comes along. This last spring he sold all his 3 year old cows who had just calved. That would be 100+ cows.
 
My partner just started doing that. Said he gets way more per calf.

You'll have to ask your neighbor why he doesn't.

Me? I'd want to raise my own replacements and remain diversified if the market changed.

Farmer feeders want a different way to send their corn to town if the corn market tanks, so they don't do just one thing or another. Some of them add YouTube for extra income, too.

Don't know much about the Oregon cattle business, but I'd say the people who have 2000 cows are probably not into just cows. They probably have about 5 to 10 different angles on making money. Just a thought.

I don't rely on my herd for income. My partner also has multiple streams. So we're already diversified. I thought we were being smart by following the well-off folks' lead :).

Just a guess.
Exactly what I was thinking. If one thing tanks, there's the other.
 
Theory on paper and facts are sometimes very different animals.
Yup. And don’t forget about the weather. Would have been in this spot a year-and-a-half earlier if it hadn’t been for drought.

We’ll have another one in central Texas at some point. Just hoping it doesn’t cut my herd in half again.
 
Exactly what I was thinking. If one thing tanks, there's the other.

With 2000 cows, you could run 5 to 10 models on cows alone as well: multiple breed stock, commercial herds including CAB and Waygu, and even a retail branch, backgrounding operation, feedlots, etc. The vertical/cross integration would offer chances to find a LOT of value, especially when the market gets dislocated in some area.

I wouldn’t do all Waygu either.
 
Neighbor is by far mostly cattle. Has made some in real estate but it was all real estate which he originally purchased for cattle. He grew up dirt poor in a huge family but is a very hard worker and extremely intelligent. There is 6 brothers and 5 sisters. Ten of them were valedictorian of their high school class. 5 of the 6 boys have very big cattle operations and they inherited nothing but a work ethic.
Most ranchers spend money on good bulls. He has a small herd of registered cows (Angus and Charolais) which he breeds AI and raises his own bulls for less than it cost to buy them. He is not afraid to sell or buy cattle as an opportunity comes along. This last spring he sold all his 3 year old cows who had just calved. That would be 100+ cows.

Well, if it works for him, congrats. If he is smart and hard-working, that goes a long way in this world, but perhaps long quite as far as it used too…
 
Smart, hard working, and willing to take risks. Most everyone I know no matter what age or time frame who has made it have all three of those characteristics. I know a couple years ago he asked what the payment would be on 3 million dollars. The banker asked what are you up to now. He said don't worry about that just yet, let me know what the payment will be.
 
Smart, hard working, and willing to take risks. Most everyone I know no matter what age or time frame who has made it have all three of those characteristics. I know a couple years ago he asked what the payment would be on 3 million dollars. The banker asked what are you up to now. He said don't worry about that just yet, let me know what the payment will be.
Two of those characteristics you can decide for yourself. One you can’t control. If one doesn’t have all three, then one has to do the best one can. Here’s to the next gen. Having all three:).
 
1st-calf heifer caveat: Aren't all calves out of 1st calf heifers typically smaller? NO.

Vigor caveat: I was told Waygu X calves are F1's and pop up and have lots of vigor. Maybe Oregon is harder on small calves? Fall calving season in Texas is quite mild. Spring also. All in the breed. Some breeds carry problems. Hybrid vigor does not overcome those issues such as slow calves, dumb calves, poor mothering...

Agree: Waygu cattle are not much to look at. But, then again, neither are Corrientes. I train myself to look at the spreadsheet:). Sounds noble and educated.

Best argument for the deal: Asia and the US are consuming more and more Waygu beef. Contrary to what some say, it's not a fad and it won't go away. Kroger has Akuashi beef on sale now. I bought some in July. I'd buy it again. Who is buying it and how often. That is the deal. Not that it is just available.


More ranchers should jump on this bandwagon and provide some competition to the CAB premium brand! As many like @Travlr have pointed out, CAB has dominated the premium section of the freezer too easily. It will make beef better for everyone, I think. And again, the small producer begins to have more choice. Competition is good! But, I ain't against raising CAB, either. Just looking for a good deal How do you plan to take on CAB? Better do a reality check.
 
1st-calf heifer caveat: Aren't all calves out of 1st calf heifers typically smaller? NO.

Vigor caveat: I was told Waygu X calves are F1's and pop up and have lots of vigor. Maybe Oregon is harder on small calves? Fall calving season in Texas is quite mild. Spring also. All in the breed. Some breeds carry problems. Hybrid vigor does not overcome those issues such as slow calves, dumb calves, poor mothering...
To echo Ebenezer with some real life experience -- In general, my first time heifers crossed with Wagyu have had smaller calves/calving ease. But it depends on the Wagyu sire. I've had train wrecks as well (90-110 lb bricks).

In my experience Wagyu calves/F1 crosses are NOT vigorous at birth -- and I've sampled a lot of Wagyu sires.
 
Kenny -- my small herd is cow/calf to finish and I sell to customers directly. We started using Wagyu sires via AI 8 years ago or so. I use wagyu on all my heifers. If you have solid commercial cows and cross with Wagyu the resulting calves do well. As an experienced cowman you probably could pick them out in my fat cattle pen but most grow nearly as well as the FB angus. We finish these animals in 16-18 months. But some are slower growth and smaller. I also have some FB wagyu and they indeed are slow growing. (My cows are mostly PB angus -- but I have some 50% angus/wagyu cows as well).

I will say they look and taste really good on the plate.
How does the F1 and full blood differ on your plate in taste / tenderness?
 

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