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kenny thomas said:
Are bulls tested for that gene?
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There is a test available. The genetic defect/mutation goes back to a specific simmental bull SV Red Charlie born in 1993. It became known through Remington Lock N Load and several of his sons. So suspects for this gene are animals that have these bulls in their pedigree. The ASA database will show if a specific animal is at risk based on pedigree. The traitTrac feature will show as "carrier in lineage" for those animals until they are tested. So, not a random risk, but specific to pedigree.

But, pedigrees are not always 100% correct. People make mistakes on breeding dates and records, AI sire or cleanup bull sired, etc. There is a new rule in the simmental breed. Any bull calf born in 2025 and after must have dna testing done for parentage verification in order to register any calves from the bull. ASA is a progressive science/data based association. That will help to ensure correct sires for ASA registered cattle. Wonder when other breeds will step up on that issue. Random testing of cattle has shown errors in pedigrees. Most probably accidental, a few probably intentional. 5 to 10% range if I remember correctly.
 
simme said:
There is a test available. The genetic defect/mutation goes back to a specific simmental bull SV Red Charlie born in 1993. It became known through Remington Lock N Load and several of his sons. So suspects for this gene are animals that have these bulls in their pedigree. The ASA database will show if a specific animal is at risk based on pedigree. The traitTrac feature will show as "carrier in lineage" for those animals until they are tested. So, not a random risk, but specific to pedigree.

But, pedigrees are not always 100% correct. People make mistakes on breeding dates and records, AI sire or cleanup bull sired, etc. There is a new rule in the simmental breed. Any bull calf born in 2025 and after must have dna testing done for parentage verification in order to register any calves from the bull. ASA is a progressive science/data based association. That will help to ensure correct sires for ASA registered cattle. Wonder when other breeds will step up on that issue. Random testing of cattle has shown errors in pedigrees. Most probably accidental, a few probably intentional. 5 to 10% range if I remember correctly.
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Great to know. Thanks for sharing.
 
simme said:
There is a test available. The genetic defect/mutation goes back to a specific simmental bull SV Red Charlie born in 1993. It became known through Remington Lock N Load and several of his sons. So suspects for this gene are animals that have these bulls in their pedigree. The ASA database will show if a specific animal is at risk based on pedigree. The traitTrac feature will show as "carrier in lineage" for those animals until they are tested. So, not a random risk, but specific to pedigree.

But, pedigrees are not always 100% correct. People make mistakes on breeding dates and records, AI sire or cleanup bull sired, etc. There is a new rule in the simmental breed. Any bull calf born in 2025 and after must have dna testing done for parentage verification in order to register any calves from the bull. ASA is a progressive science/data based association. That will help to ensure correct sires for ASA registered cattle. Wonder when other breeds will step up on that issue. Random testing of cattle has shown errors in pedigrees. Most probably accidental, a few probably intentional. 5 to 10% range if I remember correctly.
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So my bull out of 600U who was born in 1986 i think should be clean? He would have been the bull with that herd then.
 
clarkmorefarm said:
Been a minute since I've been on, still managing cattle and expanding the herd.

Picked up a couple of new heifers over the weekend.

They were advertised as Red Angus but definitely have some cross breeding in them.

I have my thoughts on what they have in them; I was curious what does the forum think?
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They sure look like my Santa Gertrudis.
clarkmorefarm said:
Been a minute since I've been on, still managing cattle and expanding the herd.

Picked up a couple of new heifers over the weekend.

They were advertised as Red Angus but definitely have some cross breeding in them.

I have my thoughts on what they have in them; I was curious what does the forum think?
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Sure look sort of like my Santa Gertrudis. Maybe not quite as cherry.
 

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kenny thomas said:
So my bull out of 600U who was born in 1986 i think should be clean? He would have been the bull with that herd then.
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I think you are good. I don't see any SV Red Charlie in the pedigree, but tons of 600U. Of course, he could be tested to be 100% sure. And you could contact the seller and ask for a full refund on the bull if needed. I am sure he would take the bull back. :D
 
clarkmorefarm said:
Are you happy with your Santa Gertrudis?
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I never really intended to buy any Gerts but ended up buying a dozen to make shipping a couple of bulls to us worth while. They have turned out to be great mamas. Crossed them with Hereford. Calves are good looking but wean a little lighter than my F1 Brangus X Hereford calves. Have some bred to calf this fall to Angus. We will see.

I have noticed that they are not quite the same as the Gerts my Dad raised in the 70's. Not as slick coated. Less ear. Seems like they have bred a lot of the Brahman characteristics out of them. But still good cows. Given a choice, I would take the F1 Brangus or F1 Braford any day.

Bob
 
sstterry said:
I am not disagreeing with what you said, but you are assuming that a "Black Bull" is automatically homozygous. This is not always the case. A "black" bull can also carry the Simmental dilution gene, and appear black but not be homozygous.

(Ok, now my head hurts, and that is enough biology for me this morning.)
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No, didn't assume anything. That is why I said " Bred to a homozygous black bull..... "
 
I'm trying different red hides to see which I like best.

I'm thinking my new bunch is beefmaster or brangus, but could be gerts. They are very docile, which was high on my list.

I don't really care as much what they are as long as they're good mommas and raise a good calf off of grass and other minimal input.
 
clarkmorefarm said:
I'm trying different red hides to see which I like best.

I'm thinking my new bunch is beefmaster or brangus, but could be gerts. They are very docile, which was high on my list.

I don't really care as much what they are as long as they're good mommas and raise a good calf off of grass and other minimal input.
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I don't know what breed they actually are, but I do think they are bred out of it one generation. Meaning Red Brangus back to Red Angus, Gert bred to Red Angus, etc. The reason I say that is I see some of the characters in them I see in our 1/4 blood cattle. There are some other breeds they could be, but it would be rare.

No matter what they are, I like your plan. Good luck with them. Post some follow up pics down the road.
 
simme said:
I think you are good. I don't see any SV Red Charlie in the pedigree, but tons of 600U. Of course, he could be tested to be 100% sure. And you could contact the seller and ask for a full refund on the bull if needed. I am sure he would take the bull back. :D
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He will never see a pasture with a fire ant in it again. Lol
 
simme said:
I think you are good. I don't see any SV Red Charlie in the pedigree, but tons of 600U. Of course, he could be tested to be 100% sure. And you could contact the seller and ask for a full refund on the bull if needed. I am sure he would take the bull back. :D
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Sure wish some people would use that SV Red Charlie pedigree to "breed up" Black Angus and stop this CAB silliness.
 

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