Yote snaring

[Nesikep]

Well, Up to now, we've had a deal with the yotes that if they don't come around and bother us during the day time, we don't mind them around at night, but with the snow on the ground, they're getting bold and forgetting about our unwritten deal... I've carried the .22 with me but haven't been able to get close enough to them to get a shot off that had a decent percentage chance of being a good hit, (so i haven't taken any shots)... I've looked for coyote calls at our sport shop with no luck, but I did pick up 20 feet of 1/16 cable and crimps, and want to make some snares where I see they duck through the fence routinely... When I googled for snares I saw the Senneker style, but i don't have everything I need to make it... (the cam lock), but we do have a bear snare that uses a piece of flat bar, with a bend and a hole in it that the wire passes through, which seems to lock on to the cable as well.

I'm just looking for some tips and tricks.. I'd like to catch about 4 of them and I think that would suffice to remind them no to come around.

I was also thinking of using a 45 gallon drum with a sliding gate as a trap... might work well once...

I can get about $40 for a coyote (unskinned), so they can pay for my new 22-250 so I can get a shot off at a longer range at them

 

[hillrancher]

You can buy snares cheap. Time anything cheaper to buy. If you are going to keep them alive you need the deer stops on them. In some states as of mine it is law to have deer stops.

 

[skyhightree1]

Nesi,
I have no experience in snaring but I will tell you what call brings in success for me is my foxpro electronic caller and the baby fawn in distress brings them running.

 

[snake67]

Well, Up to now, we've had a deal with the yotes that if they don't come around and bother us during the day time, we don't mind them around at night, but with the snow on the ground, they're getting bold and forgetting about our unwritten deal... I've carried the .22 with me but haven't been able to get close enough to them to get a shot off that had a decent percentage chance of being a good hit, (so i haven't taken any shots)... I've looked for coyote calls at our sport shop with no luck, but I did pick up 20 feet of 1/16 cable and crimps, and want to make some snares where I see they duck through the fence routinely... When I googled for snares I saw the Senneker style, but i don't have everything I need to make it... (the cam lock), but we do have a bear snare that uses a piece of flat bar, with a bend and a hole in it that the wire passes through, which seems to lock on to the cable as well.

I'm just looking for some tips and tricks.. I'd like to catch about 4 of them and I think that would suffice to remind them no to come around.

I was also thinking of using a 45 gallon drum with a sliding gate as a trap... might work well once...

I can get about $40 for a coyote (unskinned), so they can pay for my new 22-250 so I can get a shot off at a longer range at them

I am pro-hunting so this is not written because I am against killing coyotes.

A very serious study was completed about five or maybe six years ago in my local area. The Phd guy who ran the study was on this place several times and knew his stuff cold.

One of the major outcomes of this study which is now - I think - in place with the Ontario Ministry of Wildlife (or whatever in the he!! they are called) and was pretty darned interesting, was the discovery of "good" and "bad" coyotes when it comes to farms and livestock.

All us farmer types are following it and here we now practise it religiously

If you are NOT having coyote problems and there is a reasonably large population in the vicinity - it is better to NOT kill them. They are "good" coyotes that have learned to live off the mice, rabbits, turkeys, deer and so on. They will generally leave livestock alone as they have not developed a taste for it.

If you do kill them they may be replaced by the "bad" coyote which has a taste for calves, lambs and chickens.

On top of the cattle we will likely produce about three hundred lambs this year. We have been on this place since 2002 and have NEVER had a coyote kill any calves or lambs - and trust me we have a big population. (Hope I did not jinx myself with my "never" claim)

No one hunts coyotes here - we do not allow it.

Unless we run into problems with coyotes we have decided to leave them alone - we are too worried about stirring the pot as we are surrounded by bush on all sides and fields of view of our animals are quite limited. We do also run dogs - look up Akbash and Maremma - but they can only do so much. I have seen as many as 4 coyotes in the fields with the calves and the coyotes did nothing but hunt mice. I have never seen them in with the sheep and lambs.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on our road or the roads immediately to the north and south of us allows coyote hunting either. And no one has had any predation problems with the very large coyote population that we have here

Less than 20 miles from here a good friend is always having problems with predator kills on their farm. He hunts coyotes almost on a daily basis and kills many every year - it has made no effect on his predation rates on the farm.

So - if you are NOT having problems - be aware you can possibly create a problem by killing these coyotes and having replacements move in.

And yeah, I am serious despite the hoots of derision I can hear from some of you.

Just something to think about.

And finally - if you want a couple tips on snaring look up my long post on the I Hate Neighbours thread - lock up your dogs and tell the neighbours to do the same when you set snares - you kill Pookie and you will be very unpopular!

My best to all

Bez

 

[greybeard]

I am pro-hunting so this is not written because I am against killing coyotes.

A very serious study was completed about five or maybe six years ago in my local area. The Phd guy who ran the study was on this place several times and knew his stuff cold.

One of the major outcomes of this study which is now - I think - in place with the Ontario Ministry of Wildlife (or whatever in the he!! they are called) and was pretty darned interesting, was the discovery of "good" and "bad" coyotes when it comes to farms and livestock.

All us farmer types are following it and here we now practise it religiously

If you are NOT having coyote problems and there is a reasonably large population in the vicinity - it is better to NOT kill them. They are "good" coyotes that have learned to live off the mice, rabbits, turkeys, deer and so on. They will generally leave livestock alone as they have not developed a taste for it.

If you do kill them they may be replaced by the "bad" coyote which has a taste for calves, lambs and chickens.

On top of the cattle we will likely produce about three hundred lambs this year. We have been on this place since 2002 and have NEVER had a coyote kill any calves or lambs - and trust me we have a big population. (Hope I did not jinx myself with my "never" claim)

No one hunts coyotes here - we do not allow it.

Unless we run into problems with coyotes we have decided to leave them alone - we are too worried about stirring the pot as we are surrounded by bush on all sides and fields of view of our animals are quite limited. We do also run dogs - look up Akbash and Maremma - but they can only do so much. I have seen as many as 4 coyotes in the fields with the calves and the coyotes did nothing but hunt mice. I have never seen them in with the sheep and lambs.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on our road or the roads immediately to the north and south of us allows coyote hunting either. And no one has had any predation problems with the very large coyote population that we have here

Less than 20 miles from here a good friend is always having problems with predator kills on their farm. He hunts coyotes almost on a daily basis and kills many every year - it has made no effect on his predation rates on the farm.

So - if you are NOT having problems - be aware you can possibly create a problem by killing these coyotes and having replacements move in.

And yeah, I am serious despite the hoots of derision I can hear from some of you.

Just something to think about.

And finally - if you want a couple tips on snaring look up my long post on the I Hate Neighbours thread - lock up your dogs and tell the neighbours to do the same when you set snares - you kill Pookie and you will be very unpopular!

My best to all

Bez

That's all well and good till one of 'em drops an anvil on your head. :cowboy:

 

[Nesikep]

He'll usually end up with the anvil on his own head though (I've just been watching a bunch of old Looney toons)

We don't hesitate to eliminate the neighbors dogs when they come around, and they've been worse than the coyotes... It hasn't made friends, but they keep their dogs at home now. One neighbor wouldn't mind getting rid of 2 out of 3 of his wife's dogs actually (they're dumb as bricks)

As for the good and bad coyotes, I can believe that... we aren't in an area where coyotes can roam with ease... lots of valleys, rivers and bad country, so we have a family who lives on our place, but they're getting too bold and our chickens will suffer.. We don't want to eliminate them, just keep them in check...

a long time ago my old man caught a yote and skinned it... the hide, with fur was only about 170 grams.. about 1/3 lb... amazing insulation!

 

[Nesikep]

Oh, I found a really good website too... guy is a d4mned good shot too.. www.varmintal.com
excellent page with all sorts of info

 

[3waycross]

I don't disagree with Bez BUT our biggest problem isn't with coyotes killing calves although they have. It is with them coming into the cows during calving season to eat afterbirth and causing the cows to step on their calves.

 

[Alan]

I don't disagree with Bez BUT our biggest problem isn't with coyotes killing calves although they have. It is with them coming into the cows during calving season to eat afterbirth and causing the cows to step on their calves.

That's the only time I have get after coyotes, when they come in for the afterbirth.

 

[3waycross]

I don't disagree with Bez BUT our biggest problem isn't with coyotes killing calves although they have. It is with them coming into the cows during calving season to eat afterbirth and causing the cows to step on their calves.

That's the only time I have get after coyotes, when they come in for the afterbirth.

It is also the time to NOT use the fawn bleat on the Foxpro, unless you want 150 momma cows stomping a mudhole in yore a$$!

 

[Jogeephus]

Snares are very easy to make but I think you might be better off using a leg hold trap. If you had one of these what you could do is think about how a dog hides his extra food. They typically will carry it to a monument of sorts and bury it. So what you could do is mimic this and carry a piece of venison or something and bury this in front of a stump or a rock. Out in front of this you dig a shallow hole and set your trap. You then gently sift dirt back on top of this and lay a piece of cloth or screen over the pan (trigger mechanism) to keep the dirt out of the workings and then sift the dirt back on top of this so its level with the ground. The coyote will normally work the edges of your field so you have your set along there somewhere and when he catches a whiff of the food cache he will go to dig it up and end up stepping on the set. A small trap like a Duke #2 would do the trick and I doubt it would be large enough to do more than scare a cow if it stepped in it but I'd try to set it in an area where calves are not prone to walk.

edit you could probably modify this setup for a snare. Be sure you spend the time to do it right else they learn quick and if they get trap wise then you are in for trouble.

 

[Kathie in Thorp]

Well, Up to now, we've had a deal with the yotes that if they don't come around and bother us during the day time, we don't mind them around at night, but with the snow on the ground, they're getting bold and forgetting about our unwritten deal... I've carried the .22 with me but haven't been able to get close enough to them to get a shot off that had a decent percentage chance of being a good hit, (so i haven't taken any shots)... I've looked for coyote calls at our sport shop with no luck, but I did pick up 20 feet of 1/16 cable and crimps, and want to make some snares where I see they duck through the fence routinely... When I googled for snares I saw the Senneker style, but i don't have everything I need to make it... (the cam lock), but we do have a bear snare that uses a piece of flat bar, with a bend and a hole in it that the wire passes through, which seems to lock on to the cable as well.

I'm just looking for some tips and tricks.. I'd like to catch about 4 of them and I think that would suffice to remind them no to come around.

I was also thinking of using a 45 gallon drum with a sliding gate as a trap... might work well once...

I can get about $40 for a coyote (unskinned), so they can pay for my new 22-250 so I can get a shot off at a longer range at them

I am pro-hunting so this is not written because I am against killing coyotes.

A very serious study was completed about five or maybe six years ago in my local area. The Phd guy who ran the study was on this place several times and knew his stuff cold.

One of the major outcomes of this study which is now - I think - in place with the Ontario Ministry of Wildlife (or whatever in the he!! they are called) and was pretty darned interesting, was the discovery of "good" and "bad" coyotes when it comes to farms and livestock.

All us farmer types are following it and here we now practise it religiously

If you are NOT having coyote problems and there is a reasonably large population in the vicinity - it is better to NOT kill them. They are "good" coyotes that have learned to live off the mice, rabbits, turkeys, deer and so on. They will generally leave livestock alone as they have not developed a taste for it.

If you do kill them they may be replaced by the "bad" coyote which has a taste for calves, lambs and chickens.

On top of the cattle we will likely produce about three hundred lambs this year. We have been on this place since 2002 and have NEVER had a coyote kill any calves or lambs - and trust me we have a big population. (Hope I did not jinx myself with my "never" claim)

No one hunts coyotes here - we do not allow it.

Unless we run into problems with coyotes we have decided to leave them alone - we are too worried about stirring the pot as we are surrounded by bush on all sides and fields of view of our animals are quite limited. We do also run dogs - look up Akbash and Maremma - but they can only do so much. I have seen as many as 4 coyotes in the fields with the calves and the coyotes did nothing but hunt mice. I have never seen them in with the sheep and lambs.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on our road or the roads immediately to the north and south of us allows coyote hunting either. And no one has had any predation problems with the very large coyote population that we have here

Less than 20 miles from here a good friend is always having problems with predator kills on their farm. He hunts coyotes almost on a daily basis and kills many every year - it has made no effect on his predation rates on the farm.

So - if you are NOT having problems - be aware you can possibly create a problem by killing these coyotes and having replacements move in.

And yeah, I am serious despite the hoots of derision I can hear from some of you.

Just something to think about.

And finally - if you want a couple tips on snaring look up my long post on the I Hate Neighbours thread - lock up your dogs and tell the neighbours to do the same when you set snares - you kill Pookie and you will be very unpopular!

My best to all

Bez

Bez, that is our practice here, too. We have not had coyote depredation problems, although there are plenty of them around. We are concerned that if we shoot them out, they might be replaced by a population not as well-mannered.

 

[Aaron]

Coyotes generally aren't a problem. Around here their population goes in expected waves, in which it crashes with a massive infestation of mange and you find coyotes dying on your doorstep just about every day. It happens within every 10 years or so, and not only are we infested with coyotes right now, it's been about 7-8 years since the last outbreak of mange...so it's coming. That why I advocate a trimming of the pack when possible.

Our biggest problem is wolves. We live right on the border of Mackenzie Valley wolf territory and Great Plains wolf territory, so there are lots of 120-150 lb monsters roaming around to take out livestock, and they do it on a regular basis.

 

[Ryder]

Coyotes generally aren't a problem. Around here their population goes in expected waves, in which it crashes with a massive infestation of mange and you find coyotes dying on your doorstep just about every day. It happens within every 10 years or so, and not only are we infested with coyotes right now, it's been about 7-8 years since the last outbreak of mange...so it's coming. That why I advocate a trimming of the pack when possible.

Our biggest problem is wolves. We live right on the border of Mackenzie Valley wolf territory and Great Plains wolf territory, so there are lots of 120-150 lb monsters roaming around to take out livestock, and they do it on a regular basis.

I have no experience with wolves, but a 120-150 lb. dog would be a big dog!
Do they ever threaten humans?

 

[Caustic Burno]

Well, Up to now, we've had a deal with the yotes that if they don't come around and bother us during the day time, we don't mind them around at night, but with the snow on the ground, they're getting bold and forgetting about our unwritten deal... I've carried the .22 with me but haven't been able to get close enough to them to get a shot off that had a decent percentage chance of being a good hit, (so i haven't taken any shots)... I've looked for coyote calls at our sport shop with no luck, but I did pick up 20 feet of 1/16 cable and crimps, and want to make some snares where I see they duck through the fence routinely... When I googled for snares I saw the Senneker style, but i don't have everything I need to make it... (the cam lock), but we do have a bear snare that uses a piece of flat bar, with a bend and a hole in it that the wire passes through, which seems to lock on to the cable as well.

I'm just looking for some tips and tricks.. I'd like to catch about 4 of them and I think that would suffice to remind them no to come around.

I was also thinking of using a 45 gallon drum with a sliding gate as a trap... might work well once...

I can get about $40 for a coyote (unskinned), so they can pay for my new 22-250 so I can get a shot off at a longer range at them

I am pro-hunting so this is not written because I am against killing coyotes.

A very serious study was completed about five or maybe six years ago in my local area. The Phd guy who ran the study was on this place several times and knew his stuff cold.

One of the major outcomes of this study which is now - I think - in place with the Ontario Ministry of Wildlife (or whatever in the he!! they are called) and was pretty darned interesting, was the discovery of "good" and "bad" coyotes when it comes to farms and livestock.

All us farmer types are following it and here we now practise it religiously

If you are NOT having coyote problems and there is a reasonably large population in the vicinity - it is better to NOT kill them. They are "good" coyotes that have learned to live off the mice, rabbits, turkeys, deer and so on. They will generally leave livestock alone as they have not developed a taste for it.

If you do kill them they may be replaced by the "bad" coyote which has a taste for calves, lambs and chickens.

On top of the cattle we will likely produce about three hundred lambs this year. We have been on this place since 2002 and have NEVER had a coyote kill any calves or lambs - and trust me we have a big population. (Hope I did not jinx myself with my "never" claim)

No one hunts coyotes here - we do not allow it.

Unless we run into problems with coyotes we have decided to leave them alone - we are too worried about stirring the pot as we are surrounded by bush on all sides and fields of view of our animals are quite limited. We do also run dogs - look up Akbash and Maremma - but they can only do so much. I have seen as many as 4 coyotes in the fields with the calves and the coyotes did nothing but hunt mice. I have never seen them in with the sheep and lambs.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on our road or the roads immediately to the north and south of us allows coyote hunting either. And no one has had any predation problems with the very large coyote population that we have here

Less than 20 miles from here a good friend is always having problems with predator kills on their farm. He hunts coyotes almost on a daily basis and kills many every year - it has made no effect on his predation rates on the farm.

So - if you are NOT having problems - be aware you can possibly create a problem by killing these coyotes and having replacements move in.

And yeah, I am serious despite the hoots of derision I can hear from some of you.

Just something to think about.

And finally - if you want a couple tips on snaring look up my long post on the I Hate Neighbours thread - lock up your dogs and tell the neighbours to do the same when you set snares - you kill Pookie and you will be very unpopular!

My best to all

Bez

Coyote gets a bad rap for a lot of Rover's work. People see the coyote eating the calf Rover killed.
Coyotes are opportunist and cowards not going to tackle anything that can lead to injury.
I have never lost a calf or cow to a yote as well. Chickens and ducks is a whole nuther story.
Neighbor had a coyote pen couple hundred acres that is were he calved his heifers never lost one to yote's
We used to run them with the hounds up until a few years ago. We ran in the pen during deer season.
Now with that being said the hybred Coyote/Red Wolf is a whole nuther story as they hunt like wolves in pack's.
This hybred is much larger than the typical yote. The last Red Wolf I seen was in the early 70's.
The rest have been a hybred since then.
The hybreds howl more like a wolf in the movies the coyotes yap.

http://www.chattanooganaturecenter.org/ ... s/133.251/

 

[Aaron]

Coyotes generally aren't a problem. Around here their population goes in expected waves, in which it crashes with a massive infestation of mange and you find coyotes dying on your doorstep just about every day. It happens within every 10 years or so, and not only are we infested with coyotes right now, it's been about 7-8 years since the last outbreak of mange...so it's coming. That why I advocate a trimming of the pack when possible.

Our biggest problem is wolves. We live right on the border of Mackenzie Valley wolf territory and Great Plains wolf territory, so there are lots of 120-150 lb monsters roaming around to take out livestock, and they do it on a regular basis.

I have no experience with wolves, but a 120-150 lb. dog would be a big dog!
Do they ever threaten humans?

No. They're pretty shy with humans. I've stumbled on them a few times in pairs and they can't get away from me fast enough. Small ones are the size of a German Shepard and are more likely to be of Great Plains blood.

 

[Nesikep]

there are people within a hundred miles of me that have lost a LOT of livestock to wolves.. so far we haven't seen any in our area... As for the yotes.. I just want to remind them to stay away in the daytime, I think it's just 1 or maybe 2 families around our place, and just think if I cut it down to 1 family that would suffice for a place like ours...

I just saw an ad for a nice rifle... ruger 243, #1 24" bull barrel, Stainless, Bauch and Lomb scope for $500... My buddy says the rifle alone is probably to the tune of $1100, so this isn't a bad deal, and he says it shouldn't have much trouble hitting a yote at 400 yards if you hold it steady enough.

 

[3waycross]

there are people within a hundred miles of me that have lost a LOT of livestock to wolves.. so far we haven't seen any in our area... As for the yotes.. I just want to remind them to stay away in the daytime, I think it's just 1 or maybe 2 families around our place, and just think if I cut it down to 1 family that would suffice for a place like ours...

I just saw an ad for a nice rifle... ruger 243, #1 24" bull barrel, Stainless, Bauch and Lomb scope for $500... My buddy says the rifle alone is probably to the tune of $1100, so this isn't a bad deal, and he says it shouldn't have much trouble hitting a yote at 400 yards if you hold it steady enough.

Unless the barrel is shot out(which is a strong possibility) that is a steal for that rifle.

 

[Dave]

Coyotes are real easy to snare. Use 7x7 3/32 aircraft cable. I prefer a snare at least 6 feet long, longer is better. DO NOT SET SNARES IN FIELDS WHERE CATTLE ARE PRESENT.
Along a trail which the coyotes are using find a place with a little tuft of grass on one side. Stake down the end of your snare. Take a piece of 12 ga wire about 3.5 feet long. This is your support wire to hold up the snare. Using a piece of 1/2 inch rod with a groove filed into one end, place it about 4 inches from the end of your support wire. Drive it into the ground about 5-6 inches. The doubled over wire will hold the rest of the wire up. Sort of pig tail the upright end of the wire. Put your snare in/on this pig tailed end. The snare lock should be beyond the end of the wire. Make a loop 10 inches wide with the bottom of the loop about 10 inches off the ground. Position it over the centered in the trail. It actually takes very little to blend in the snare and I have been very successful setting them just plain out in the open. The coyote isn't looking at some little thing up close but rather looking out 50-100 yards in front of himself. Sort of like do you see the bugs on your windsheild when you are driving. I have snared 100's and 100's of coyotes with this method. It is actually so simple that lots of people overlook its use.

 

[Nesikep]

Dave, if you could send me a picture of how this look, that would be great, I have 1/16th aircraft cable, which should be plenty strong for a yote... I just can't quite picture it with words...


I nearly bought that rifle, but then I found out it was a single shot.. it's designed for competitions, and that's not what I'm going to be doing with it, so I figure I'll save my money and buy one that really suits what I need.... would like to find a Sako... but that's probably not too easy.