Are there any good wormers that are effective by feeding to cattle? I know there are some great wormers that are given by injections but I know when I had goats the pellet wormers where not effective for battling worms. Just wondering as I have a couple of cows that need worming.
Wormers
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circlebllc
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Safeguard pellets do work. Kinda pricey per head compared to injection.
How close can you get to them?
chaded
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Can you lure them in a trailer?
Safeguard is effective but pricey. You need to give the drected amount though. The guns that shhot the dewormer balls would probably work but are kinda pricey. Dart gun works too, if you can borrow one. Last I looked they'd gtten a little pricey.
The applicator gun for BRUTE spray can spray 5' no problem. It's a direct pattern like a water gun.
I can cube cattle and spray them from a sxs or atv easily. I will also do it as they walk through a gate.
I can cube cattle and spray them from a sxs or atv easily. I will also do it as they walk through a gate.
I can get them in the shoot and use Decomax or ivermectin which I have on hand but I was just wondering in case of a need and me being the only one to work them, was there one good to fed to one or two that looked like they needed it.
I’ll look into this, thanks.
kenny thomas
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If you only have 1 cow and can separate her to feed, many feed stores sell safeguard by the pound. Buy enough for your guess or weighed weight.
BC
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Do what Kenny said and consider that you paid more for the ease and convenience
Twisted
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Safeguard also has a molasses block wormer. You have to keep an eye on it to make sure they don't get too much, I think one block is good for 8-9 cows. I guess that you could cut it up to single dose size.
kenny thomas
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The problem i see in using a molasses based block is the animal that needs it is usually not the one that gets it. The boss cow goes first and then down the line with the wormy one maybe being the last or getting none at all.
Same with the feed-through, pelleted etc. No way to regulate the dosage each animal gets. @tcolvin , I thought you had your working pens set up now?
I do but sometimes I need help on getting them done and don’t have it. It was just a thought for 3 cows that I was going to do but now I’m fixing to give yearly vaccinations in about 2 -3 weeks so I’m just going to wait and do it when they come thru shoot. I will be moving the ones with the worming to isolated pasture for about 2-3 then back with herd.
I’ll also let that pasture rest for a couple of months before any cow goes back on it.
TexasJerseyMilker
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I just now wormed my calves with Ivermectin pour on. A member who's a vet on here said pour on is not as effective but works because they lick it off each other.
kenny thomas
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He can correct me but i believe what he said was the only good it done was what one would lick off the other. Meaning not much good at all for worms.
TexasJerseyMilker
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These bottle calves lick each other and myself also quite a bit.
farmerjan
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I will again have to dispute the effectiveness of pour on. We had a group of 20-22 cows . Several had dropped off weight and looked pretty bad... They were getting a cart of silage every 2-3 days as they finished it up, grain on top of it.....They had 200 lb calves on them... colder weather... there were about 5-6 that looked good, 5 or 6 that looked really bad... the rest halfway inbetween. Had water tested as that was the only thing that had changed when we moved them to this pasture for the winter... Could not find any other reason and water tested fine. Got them caught up in headlocks in the silage feed cart... and I took fecal samples from 6... 2 real bad, 2 average/mediocre, and 2 real good condition. We used pour on while they were in the headlocks because there were 3 that were real standoffish and figured we might not get them caught up in it anytime soon. 1 was in the mediocre condition...
Vet ran the samples, no names or numbers, just 1-6 on the breeding sleeve that I took each sample with.
The 2 real poor were infested with worms, the real good condition ones had next to no worms and the mediocre ones had a fair amount... Within a week, they were looking a little better, especially the 2 real poor ones... and I knew who they were... but did not specifically designate the other 4.
At 3 weeks +/- a day, we again caught them in the headlocks and I specifically sampled the 2 that were real poor for the first sample, and the other 4 were random samples. All the cows looked quite a bit better...
Vet ran those samples and they all came back with very low to practically no worms. Vet said that he would maybe worm them again in a month in case they pick up some more, because it was not a real cold hard freeze type of weather... but he was impressed with how much better the cows looked compared to the first pictures.
So, pour on is not such a waste. What the bigger problem might be is constantly worming them and they become resistant, and then pour on especially does not get into their system enough and they are somewhat immune to the wormer.
We do not routinely worm adult cows... and I believe that is one of the reasons it worked so well on them.
Vet ran the samples, no names or numbers, just 1-6 on the breeding sleeve that I took each sample with.
The 2 real poor were infested with worms, the real good condition ones had next to no worms and the mediocre ones had a fair amount... Within a week, they were looking a little better, especially the 2 real poor ones... and I knew who they were... but did not specifically designate the other 4.
At 3 weeks +/- a day, we again caught them in the headlocks and I specifically sampled the 2 that were real poor for the first sample, and the other 4 were random samples. All the cows looked quite a bit better...
Vet ran those samples and they all came back with very low to practically no worms. Vet said that he would maybe worm them again in a month in case they pick up some more, because it was not a real cold hard freeze type of weather... but he was impressed with how much better the cows looked compared to the first pictures.
So, pour on is not such a waste. What the bigger problem might be is constantly worming them and they become resistant, and then pour on especially does not get into their system enough and they are somewhat immune to the wormer.
We do not routinely worm adult cows... and I believe that is one of the reasons it worked so well on them.
Lucky_P
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One point that is commonly misunderstood by producers... cattle do not become 'resistant' to any particular dewormer or class of dewormers, no matter how many times you administer them... the WORMS do.
When you deworm an animal (or the entire herd), the dewormer you use will kill all worms in that animal that are susceptible to it. But if there are any worms in that animal that are resistant to that class of dewormer, they become the 'parents' for the next generation of infective larvae that will develop out there on the pasture to infect grazing animals, so that next generation of infective worm larvae will predominantly be 'resistant' to all members of that class.
If, by your actions, you select for a population of worms that are resistant to ivermectin... they are also resistant to doramectin(Dectomax) and moxidectin(Cydectin). If they are resistant to fenbendazole(Panacur/Safeguard), they are also resistant to albendazole(Valbazen), oxfendazole(Synanthic), etc. And... it appears that once you've selected for worm populations resistant to those two classes of anthelminthics, that resistance is 'forever'.
So... we're trying to get producers to try to preserve the 'refugia' - that portion of the worm population that is still susceptible. MOST adult cattle do not need to be dewormed; certainly, there are individuals who do not develop the normal resilience to infection, or may be immunosuppressed due to malnutrition, etc., but most adults have few if any worms. Ideally, you would run fecal exams and only deworm those showing heavy infections, but we know that is not a 'real-world' approach. So, a better tactic is, IF you think, based on here body condition, that a cow may be heavily parasitized, only deworm those individual cows that you think 'need' it. If you're one of those who think you HAVE to deworm the entire herd... at least consider not deworming 10-20% of the adult animals in the herd... this leaves them as a potential source of 'susceptible' worms that won't be introducing 'resistance' genes into the breeding population.
Obviously, if you're in a liver fluke area... you're gonna have to deworm 'everybody' with an anthelminthic effective against flukes.
Final word from me today: You can feed your way through a worm problem. You can't deworm your way out of a nutritional deficiency.
When you deworm an animal (or the entire herd), the dewormer you use will kill all worms in that animal that are susceptible to it. But if there are any worms in that animal that are resistant to that class of dewormer, they become the 'parents' for the next generation of infective larvae that will develop out there on the pasture to infect grazing animals, so that next generation of infective worm larvae will predominantly be 'resistant' to all members of that class.
If, by your actions, you select for a population of worms that are resistant to ivermectin... they are also resistant to doramectin(Dectomax) and moxidectin(Cydectin). If they are resistant to fenbendazole(Panacur/Safeguard), they are also resistant to albendazole(Valbazen), oxfendazole(Synanthic), etc. And... it appears that once you've selected for worm populations resistant to those two classes of anthelminthics, that resistance is 'forever'.
So... we're trying to get producers to try to preserve the 'refugia' - that portion of the worm population that is still susceptible. MOST adult cattle do not need to be dewormed; certainly, there are individuals who do not develop the normal resilience to infection, or may be immunosuppressed due to malnutrition, etc., but most adults have few if any worms. Ideally, you would run fecal exams and only deworm those showing heavy infections, but we know that is not a 'real-world' approach. So, a better tactic is, IF you think, based on here body condition, that a cow may be heavily parasitized, only deworm those individual cows that you think 'need' it. If you're one of those who think you HAVE to deworm the entire herd... at least consider not deworming 10-20% of the adult animals in the herd... this leaves them as a potential source of 'susceptible' worms that won't be introducing 'resistance' genes into the breeding population.
Obviously, if you're in a liver fluke area... you're gonna have to deworm 'everybody' with an anthelminthic effective against flukes.
Final word from me today: You can feed your way through a worm problem. You can't deworm your way out of a nutritional deficiency.
