Wisconsin motors

[Nesikep]

Well, our old NH 282 baler circa 1964 got a new heart last winter.. for the second time.. It had one of those 4 cyl flathead wisconsins (V4D's) that blew up the first time we fired it up when we bought the farm, so it got a much bigger wisconsin V461D with overhead valves.. it was from an Owatonna mo-co. It lasted 20 years, but was getting really tired, fouling plugs all the time and drinking like a fish (oil and fuel).. so over the course of the last winter, I took it all apart and refreshed it. The rings were COMPLETELY done for... you know the ring end gap is too much when you need all your feeler guages put together to measure it... it was .140", and is supposed to be .008". I couldn't justify the cost of a rebore and new pistons, so I reamed the top of the cylinders, then measured them, they were tapered tight at the bottom, so I honed the bejesus out of the bottom until I got rid of the worst of it.. I got 1 size oversized rings, and a little diamond wheel to file the ends to fit. I have a valve and seat grinder, so I cleaned them up.. It turned out those engines never had valve stem seals, and by chance a Cummins 12 valve has seals that fit them PERFECTLY, so I added those. I have always loathed Zenith carbs, always found them poor performers and gas guzzlers, so I put a Mikuni CV carb from something like a Yamaha 400 street bike on it, fiddled with the jetting a bit, made a linkage for the governor, and it works wonderfully now. Also, with a lot more fiddling, I got a Toyota electronic ignition distributor mounted on it, which is far more reliable than the cursed points it had that would always stick, rust, and fail.

All in all, I think it was a smashing success, I baled my entire first cut of 1350 bales on less than a 15 gallon tank of fuel (I can probably do another couple hundred), I think 800 used to be about my best before. I think once I run fuel that isn't stale, I'll be able to lean it down more and get better "gas baleage" yet. So at even $6/gallon I'm spending only about $.06/bale in fuel which is pretty good.. and it's got GOBS of power and will shear the flywheel bolt before it gets bogged down.

Most importantly, it runs properly, and the exhaust smells CLEAN. We used to think these were terribly inefficient engines, but properly tuned they seem pretty respectable. Cost of the top end gasket set and rings was about $400, New carb was $30, we had the distributor already.

 

[Kingfisher]

Nice! " how to hot rod a Wisconsin engine!".

 

[Kingfisher]

How did you "mount" the distributor?

 

[Nesikep]

I had to turn down the distributor "stem", and make a bushing to adapt the original drive gear to the new distributor... Then I had to get it recurved since the wisconsin never sees 6000 RPM like a toyota does.. fiddle fiddle, but it paid off in the end

 

[John SD]

Nesi, first off :clap: :clap: :clap: You must have the patience of a saint! :nod:

Did you check out any other options for your baler such as finding salvage or fabricating parts to convert your baler to PTO or upgrading to a PTO baler? :idea:

I've been around those big Wisconsin engines just enough to know that I would take the very first opportunity I had to ditch one! :nod: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had a IH 210 swather with the IH liquid cooled C-153 4 cyl engine in it. (same as 504 tractor) The swather header was totally shot but the tractor part of the swather was in great shape, especially the engine. I sold the whole thing to a guy for $500 and we were both happy. :nod:

OMC, Versatile, and possibly other swathers used the industrial version of the Ford 200 in-line 6 engine. I have a 1979 Ford Fairmont with the 200 automobile engine it's a good running little engine.

MF, JD, and possibly other swathers used the industrial version of the world famous Chrysler 225 Slant 6. You just can't kill a Slant 6!

I realize these 6 cyl engine might just be too big for a baler. I'm thinking it wouldn't take much to make the IH 4 cyl work. :nod:

 

[Nesikep]

I ought to make retrofit kits!

We have been toying with the idea of PTO powering it, but it's a 1000 RPM unit, so that would be the first hurdle, and secondly, it's nice to be able to make super sharp turns and not knock the crap out of your U joints... Also, I can bale with the MF165, and it's easy to adjust the the ground speed without affecting the baler, so I can easily throttle the tractor down when I get into heavy stuff. The tractor doesn't use any fuel while baling, it's just puttering.

Now that it runs nicely and efficiently, I think we'll be keeping it for a long while... I think it'll outlast the baler now, though I'll probably keep that thing going another 25 years.. what's another 100,000 bales?.. I just have to look at the plunger bearings and rails again...its sounding like they're getting loose again

 

[John SD]

I ought to make retrofit kits!

We have been toying with the idea of PTO powering it, but it's a 1000 RPM unit, so that would be the first hurdle

Yes, you ought to make retrofit kits! Then again, I don't know how much demand there would be for such an item. I think every engine driven baler around here went to the scrappers long ago.

I :heart: :heart: :heart: 1000 PTO. 540 PTO is one of my pet peeves , although I'm somewhat evenly split between 540 and 1000 PTO implements.

My mo/co, baler, and stackmover are 1000. My rotary mower, snowblower, and post hole digger are 540.

My 2 Ford tractors and the Kubota offer both 540 and 1000. The MF 2775 I used to bale with is 1000 only.

I bought my Hesston 856A as a 540 baler in 2000 and used on one of the Fords the first year. I bought the MF the next year.

So I took the baler back in to the dealer to get them to change the PTO to 1000. This was a relatively simple procedure to do at a modest cost. They just had to swap the gearbox around on the baler itself and replace the 540 yoke with 1000.

I still have the 540 yoke around here somewhere and could convert back to 540 if I wanted to but I don't.

AC quit on the MF. It needs compressor clutch and who knows what else. MF isn't running currently. Can't get it started last time I tried. Bled fuel system unit I had a :frowns:

I should work on that, but I'm afraid it might have possible injector pump trouble. Not gonna put a lot of money into it. It's just easier to use the Kubota. :roll:

 

[Nesikep]

All our stuff is 540 RPM, and none of our tractors (except the leyland 154) are 540 ONLY.. The IH 684 has a cover on the back where I think you could put a 1000 RPM shaft on it.

My stack mover SHOULD be on a 1000, it runs so darned slow I have to rev the tractor like heck to get anything done and maintain the correct ground speed... I already replaced one of the drive sprockets with a bigger one and that helped a fair bit.

I think Wisconsins would be great sawmill motors