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<blockquote data-quote="mind235" data-source="post: 448199" data-attributes="member: 6754"><p>Doc, Thanks for the response. I completely understand what your saying. In a nut shell I just sold a bull that the only thiing the farmer could tell me was his sire was probally at McDonalds and his dam is in the pasture (I know own her). No epds or sos or anything other than he looked right and being in a small farming town everyone hears everyones business and I had them all out looking at the bull. They actually pulled him out at the sale and they usually don't do that unless 900 + and he was 700. Sold him because I was concernedd about a car wreck he was smart enough to realize the alfalfa field just on the other side of the fence was mighty good.</p><p></p><p>Had I put this bull picture out even though everyone here wanted him to breed their heifers next summer with him I most likely would have had doubt since someone always finds faults on here. I guess the bull myself and the local guys here would be thrilled to have maybe a steer for others gere with big fancy herds. But I bet that with this bull 85% + would loved him but if someone thought he had "the man" and posted it and when some find fault with every thing it would spook a guy with snall herd.</p><p></p><p>Like you say it takes a long time, lot's of work, and much cash and if they were confident with this animal but got spooked they may be running ouit of time and actually get something worse.</p><p></p><p>Anyway enough on that all I was trying to poiint out was the guy with 5-30 head look at things totally different.</p><p></p><p>I just shed my $ 800 Armani suit and my corner office to come slip on manure, get kicked in the knee, have a heifer kick a shovel that landed right in my neck but you got to love it.</p><p></p><p>It's funny we went to auction yesterday and got almost if not the best prices for our feeders and the guy that I am leasiig from they were his. Now don't forget that he got best prices. He never picks up bail twine, never vacimates anythiing,no suplimental except some hay, no worming, flies get so bad I can't get next to the animals, noneof the barns have been cleaned since they stopped doing dairy here 3 years ago manure 3 feer high some places. He has never had to pull a calf, only lost 2 one to a blue chevey van and 1 to a longhorn some guy put in the pasture a few years ago. </p><p></p><p>I was setting up some charts earlier tonight to keep every bit of info I can find so I can build a good database to improve what I have. I just bought the bulls dam since she was so good with him and she has been bred back and I bought a heifer from the bulls sister. The whole line he has white tagged are all low birth weights and great milkers. He never gets around to weaning anything takes work but I pulled the heifer in a stall about a week ago (thank god mom stopped bawling) but with hay and pellets I would bet she has put ojn 3 pounds a day. There was no stress she started eating as soon as she was in the stall and dinner bell rings she is at the table. Got a steer in with her it's the guy I am leasiing from kid for 4H so I can help him but the heifer gets to eat first she makes the man wait.</p><p></p><p>talk about time and money I was trying to figure something out the other day. I want a 12 count herd unless my son moves up here now then I want 25-30. But it is amaazing putting it on paper how long just to get to a 12-15 herd and that is with luck and very few steers.</p><p></p><p>Anyway thanks I watch this forum, read books, read university test results, and other web sites so I am trying to improve my herd the best I can with the knowledge and cash I have.</p><p></p><p>You want to come hold these gals for me when vet comes no chute and I neeed a preg check and vacs and worms on all</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mind235, post: 448199, member: 6754"] Doc, Thanks for the response. I completely understand what your saying. In a nut shell I just sold a bull that the only thiing the farmer could tell me was his sire was probally at McDonalds and his dam is in the pasture (I know own her). No epds or sos or anything other than he looked right and being in a small farming town everyone hears everyones business and I had them all out looking at the bull. They actually pulled him out at the sale and they usually don't do that unless 900 + and he was 700. Sold him because I was concernedd about a car wreck he was smart enough to realize the alfalfa field just on the other side of the fence was mighty good. Had I put this bull picture out even though everyone here wanted him to breed their heifers next summer with him I most likely would have had doubt since someone always finds faults on here. I guess the bull myself and the local guys here would be thrilled to have maybe a steer for others gere with big fancy herds. But I bet that with this bull 85% + would loved him but if someone thought he had "the man" and posted it and when some find fault with every thing it would spook a guy with snall herd. Like you say it takes a long time, lot's of work, and much cash and if they were confident with this animal but got spooked they may be running ouit of time and actually get something worse. Anyway enough on that all I was trying to poiint out was the guy with 5-30 head look at things totally different. I just shed my $ 800 Armani suit and my corner office to come slip on manure, get kicked in the knee, have a heifer kick a shovel that landed right in my neck but you got to love it. It's funny we went to auction yesterday and got almost if not the best prices for our feeders and the guy that I am leasiig from they were his. Now don't forget that he got best prices. He never picks up bail twine, never vacimates anythiing,no suplimental except some hay, no worming, flies get so bad I can't get next to the animals, noneof the barns have been cleaned since they stopped doing dairy here 3 years ago manure 3 feer high some places. He has never had to pull a calf, only lost 2 one to a blue chevey van and 1 to a longhorn some guy put in the pasture a few years ago. I was setting up some charts earlier tonight to keep every bit of info I can find so I can build a good database to improve what I have. I just bought the bulls dam since she was so good with him and she has been bred back and I bought a heifer from the bulls sister. The whole line he has white tagged are all low birth weights and great milkers. He never gets around to weaning anything takes work but I pulled the heifer in a stall about a week ago (thank god mom stopped bawling) but with hay and pellets I would bet she has put ojn 3 pounds a day. There was no stress she started eating as soon as she was in the stall and dinner bell rings she is at the table. Got a steer in with her it's the guy I am leasiing from kid for 4H so I can help him but the heifer gets to eat first she makes the man wait. talk about time and money I was trying to figure something out the other day. I want a 12 count herd unless my son moves up here now then I want 25-30. But it is amaazing putting it on paper how long just to get to a 12-15 herd and that is with luck and very few steers. Anyway thanks I watch this forum, read books, read university test results, and other web sites so I am trying to improve my herd the best I can with the knowledge and cash I have. You want to come hold these gals for me when vet comes no chute and I neeed a preg check and vacs and worms on all [/QUOTE]
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