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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 4521"><p>> Some intersting numbers once again</p><p>> from MARC. The thing I am curious</p><p>> about is why the 3% drop from</p><p>> unassisted births to survival to</p><p>> weaning on the Angus and exactly</p><p>> the same survival percentage on</p><p>> the Angus and Simmental. How many</p><p>> animals is this data generated on.</p><p>> Numbers can be juggled in many</p><p>> ways. To most people the most</p><p>> important numbers are ROP, RECORD</p><p>> OF PROFIT. There are lots of ways</p><p>> to do it with a variety of</p><p>> different breeds that work best</p><p>> for you. The brahman type cattle</p><p>> won't cut it up here, we need</p><p>> haircoats. If you are raising</p><p>> cattle in temperate climates with</p><p>> ticks and such they work great.</p><p>> The Simmental breed is the most</p><p>> populous bos taurus breed in the</p><p>> world. Are they only breed for</p><p>> North America of course not but</p><p>> they certainly cross well with</p><p>> most breeds.</p><p></p><p>ROP --- how true!! We all need to raise what works best for us in our particular market & environment. And (unfortunately) we need to keep in mind the the adage that "Perception Is Reality". Right or wrong, what are the perceptions of our buyers?</p><p></p><p>In a particular environment, if one can raise animals from a number of breeds equally well, but the targeted market likes black with no ears -- raise Black Angus. In the southeast and parts of Texas maybe the market tells you to raise Charolais crossed calves. Or black baldies elsewhere.</p><p></p><p>Gosh, based on my experiences, conversations and reading it seems that if you talk to enough breeders (in love with their particular breeds) you could almost get the impression that all breeds are easy calvers; that the calves grow fast as hell, will almost all grade Choice and the top YG-1; will handle cold easily (if your are in cold country) or handle heat & humidity well (if you are along the Gulf Coast); have great maternal qualities, produce fantastic replacement heifers and magnificent steers that are the most highly desired; have the most wonderful disposition; will thrive on forages that others breeds won't touch, etc., etc. etc.</p><p></p><p>I have a request ---- I'd like to buy some replacement cows & bulls. I want them to raise polled, black calves with small ears and no hump; the calves should have Angus type marbling qualities; the cows & bulls should have Brahman-type abilities with respect to heat, humidity & insects; the cows (including heifers) should calve as easily as a Longhorn. I want them to have the disposition of most Herefords; and the butts & guts & non-marbling carcass qualities of one of the Continental breeds. And I want them to grow fast like a Charolais or Simmental sired crossbred. I want the bulls to have extremely high libido but I don't want them to be fence jumpers. I want the replacement heifers to always calf unassisted at two years old, raise a huge calf and to breed back right on time. Cows should raise calves that wean at 65% of the cow's weight and should give me another calf every 11 months; oh well, I guess I'd settle for one calf every 12 months. The heifers and cows should milk like a Holstein, or at least like a Gelbvieh. And what the hell, make them immune to internal & external parasites, grubs, lice, etc. so that I never have to worm them. And they should also be considered taboo by horn flies. And I want them to be real inexpensive for me to purchase, but very expensive when I sell them! Can anyone help me out?</p><p></p><p>Didn't think so, but I can dream can't I?</p><p></p><p>Happy New Year to everybody.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 4521"] > Some intersting numbers once again > from MARC. The thing I am curious > about is why the 3% drop from > unassisted births to survival to > weaning on the Angus and exactly > the same survival percentage on > the Angus and Simmental. How many > animals is this data generated on. > Numbers can be juggled in many > ways. To most people the most > important numbers are ROP, RECORD > OF PROFIT. There are lots of ways > to do it with a variety of > different breeds that work best > for you. The brahman type cattle > won't cut it up here, we need > haircoats. If you are raising > cattle in temperate climates with > ticks and such they work great. > The Simmental breed is the most > populous bos taurus breed in the > world. Are they only breed for > North America of course not but > they certainly cross well with > most breeds. ROP --- how true!! We all need to raise what works best for us in our particular market & environment. And (unfortunately) we need to keep in mind the the adage that "Perception Is Reality". Right or wrong, what are the perceptions of our buyers? In a particular environment, if one can raise animals from a number of breeds equally well, but the targeted market likes black with no ears -- raise Black Angus. In the southeast and parts of Texas maybe the market tells you to raise Charolais crossed calves. Or black baldies elsewhere. Gosh, based on my experiences, conversations and reading it seems that if you talk to enough breeders (in love with their particular breeds) you could almost get the impression that all breeds are easy calvers; that the calves grow fast as hell, will almost all grade Choice and the top YG-1; will handle cold easily (if your are in cold country) or handle heat & humidity well (if you are along the Gulf Coast); have great maternal qualities, produce fantastic replacement heifers and magnificent steers that are the most highly desired; have the most wonderful disposition; will thrive on forages that others breeds won't touch, etc., etc. etc. I have a request ---- I'd like to buy some replacement cows & bulls. I want them to raise polled, black calves with small ears and no hump; the calves should have Angus type marbling qualities; the cows & bulls should have Brahman-type abilities with respect to heat, humidity & insects; the cows (including heifers) should calve as easily as a Longhorn. I want them to have the disposition of most Herefords; and the butts & guts & non-marbling carcass qualities of one of the Continental breeds. And I want them to grow fast like a Charolais or Simmental sired crossbred. I want the bulls to have extremely high libido but I don't want them to be fence jumpers. I want the replacement heifers to always calf unassisted at two years old, raise a huge calf and to breed back right on time. Cows should raise calves that wean at 65% of the cow's weight and should give me another calf every 11 months; oh well, I guess I'd settle for one calf every 12 months. The heifers and cows should milk like a Holstein, or at least like a Gelbvieh. And what the hell, make them immune to internal & external parasites, grubs, lice, etc. so that I never have to worm them. And they should also be considered taboo by horn flies. And I want them to be real inexpensive for me to purchase, but very expensive when I sell them! Can anyone help me out? Didn't think so, but I can dream can't I? Happy New Year to everybody. [/QUOTE]
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