Whoa...locked???

[IluvABbeef]

Wow, first of all, I NEVER thought that that Custom Grazing thread would be going up to SIX pages...second of all, I'm even more surprised that it's locked! Yeesh!

Sir Loin, you've been wondering if you mow or not? My question, before I answer yours is, can you be more specific? Do you mean when there's drought? when there's no cattle to do the mowing for you? or when you can't HAVE cattle?

”Continuous grazing does, however, have the benefit....” “This type of grazing frequently results in higher per-animal gains than other grazing systems”

Benefit of what? The second statement I agree with. BECAUSE there is more higher-quality vegetative material for animals to intake, like I said before.

Now don't get carried away and get THIS thread locked. :roll: Please!

 

[Sir Loin]

Karin,
Re:

Sir Loin, you've been wondering if you mow or not? My question, before I answer yours is, can you be more specific? Do you mean when there's drought? when there's no cattle to do the mowing for you? or when you can't HAVE cattle?

All of the above, because if you do any mowing at all, you will need a tractor and mower.
And you stated in your first post on the other thread:

” She also mentioned” “ only major equipment absolutely necessary to have is a scale.”

Now I’m sure a tractor and mower is a “major” a peace of equipment and costs far more then a scale.
Now as you know, I have read everything that I can find on this and no where did I find where it say you do or you don’t have to mow at any time or for any reason. Now if you can show me on her
a website where it says you don’t have to mow then she is correct as you have stated in you first post.
If you show me a site where you have to mow, then she has been proven a liar.

She simply can’t say:

only major equipment absolutely necessary to have is a scale.”

and also say you have to/should or anything else about doing mowing of any kind or when.
If she did he would be diabolically opposed to her.

Now some on here claim to read and know more then I do and they say you mow.
So now they have shown her to be untruthful and deceptive. Not me.

For those of you who don’t know who we are talking about, it is:
Sue De Bruijn
Her e-mail is:
[email protected]
See the .gov, that mean’s she in a government office some where.
Here is her website: http://www.srm-ims.org/index.html
See the .org, that means this is a corp not for profit and does not have to make a profit.
And the corp is: “Society for Range Management” which deals with cattle grazing on public lands.
And if you go to the “membership” you will see “Grants”.

Read her site and answer this, do you think she is for or against ranchers grazing on public lands?

 

[Sir Loin]

Re:

Benefit of what?

Read this:

Continuous grazing, the most common grazing system in the United States, usually results over time in a plant community of less-desirable species. When livestock graze without restriction, they eat the most palatable forage first. If these plants are repeatedly grazed without allowing time for their roots to recover and leaves to regrow, they will die. Plants not eaten by livestock mature and go to seed. Thus, populations of undesirable plants increase, while preferred plants are eliminated, reducing the quality of the forage in a given pasture. Trampling and animals' avoidance of their own wastes further reduce the amount of usable forage.
Continuous grazing does, however, have the benefit of low capital investment, since few fencing and watering facilities are required. Because livestock are seldom moved from pasture to pasture, management decisions are simple. This type of grazing frequently results in higher per-animal gains than other grazing systems, as long as adequate forage is available to maintain high growth rates. But if pastures are overstocked, growth rates dwindle.

http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/rotategr.html

Benefit of what? Of “higher per-animal gains than” MIG.

 

[backhoeboogie]

Sometimes obnoxious posts are removed from the thread when the thread is locked. It could be that there were some really ugly posts that are no longer in the thread.

Anyway, I still think that 7 pastures on that much acreage is more than adequate and a might bit easier to provide drinking water for stock. As far as the mowing goes, it would be best to clean up anything that wasn't grazed down. Weed seed can blow in from anywhere.

 

[msscamp]

Some grasses also tend to be tougher, and less palatable once they have reached a certain height - mowing would eliminate that problem and result in the pasture being more evenly grazed.

 

[warpaint]

Good point Boogie, and Msscamp.

Let a couple of thistles go for a sesaon, and pretty soon, you'll have a pasture full.

 

[IluvABbeef]

Don't think that it's anything to do with do's or don'ts, but more for the choice not to do or not to do. And I have been doing some searching myself and can't find anywhere where you HAVE to mow or DON'T have to mow.

She COULD say that the absolutely most necessary equipment to have is a scale IF she don't own a tractor and a mower....which she doesn't. SO, according to her, no mow.

But, obviously the mowing thing is a topic worth arguing (or should I say discussing) about b/c, from my point of view, there's neither right nor wrong. I repeat: IMO.

Now that the continuous grazing statement is cleared up, all I can say is that I really don't quite get that.

 

[novatech]

Sage grass is an indicature of poor soil nutrition. The fact that there are cross fences indicates there is some sort of control placed on forage, just a larger paddock.
You should not have to mow in an intense grazeing pasture where a specific forage has been planted for stocker gain, if managed corectly. This mowing point has been taken out of context.
It takes more management for intenseive grazeing, but one can graze more cattle on less land.
Sustainable forage has its merits. And I agree with the diversity of forages. However the forages must be of equal selectivity by the cattle.( Eastern gama grass was at one time common as a native but has been grazed out , because cattle prefer it to other grasses. Bluestem will be eaten to the ground and killed off with time if planted with bremuda. The bremuda will take over.)
Which ever direction one chooses, management is still the key word.

 

[IluvABbeef]

Sage grass is an indicature of poor soil nutrition. The fact that there are cross fences indicates there is some sort of control placed on forage, just a larger paddock.
You should not have to mow in an intense grazeing pasture where a specific forage has been planted for stocker gain, if managed corectly. This mowing point has been taken out of context.
It takes more management for intenseive grazeing, but one can graze more cattle on less land.
Sustainable forage has its merits. And I agree with the diversity of forages. However the forages must be of equal selectivity by the cattle.( Eastern gama grass was at one time common as a native but has been grazed out , because cattle prefer it to other grasses. Bluestem will be eaten to the ground and killed off with time if planted with bremuda. The bremuda will take over.)
Which ever direction one chooses, management is still the key word.

Thanks for that novatech.