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<blockquote data-quote="rockridgecattle" data-source="post: 640803" data-attributes="member: 6198"><p>Mod, I know this might get locked but i really felt this had to get said. Apology in advance.</p><p></p><p>HS you ask who in the US has been hurt by chicken litter being fed to our cows</p><p></p><p>I am only going to post this once. Please stop over analyizing.</p><p></p><p>Everyone in Canada and the US have been hurt by feeding ruminent material to cows. I am including chicken litter along with anything else. In Canada it was calf starter. But if a size of grain of sand BSE particle can infect a young calf, then truely it does not matter it fed. If it has animal protien in it, the risk is there. And if the risk it there then it should be a no brainer that we do not take that risk. Anyone who does, risks all of us who are in the cattle business more than the risks we have taken now.</p><p></p><p>You ask why do i say this, what is my proof.</p><p></p><p>Our borders closed</p><p>Our cattle prices dropped</p><p>farm are closing left and right because they can not get back on their feet financially</p><p>Now that we depleted our savings to stay afloat over BSE, we have nothing left to fight this down turn in the economy.</p><p>Families have experienced emotional, financial, and some even physical pain due to the stresses on the farm because of this.</p><p>You ask who has been hurt, I put to you, anyone who has any interest invested in cattle farming. From the cattle producer to the feed lots, to the slaughter houses, implement dealers, feed houses, tractor supply shops, vets, any one who has anything to do with the cattle farm</p><p>Government money which has been spent on trade missions to re open the border,</p><p>New testing and monitoring of cattle</p><p>legal battles and much much more</p><p></p><p>If you do not believe me, cross our border, visit us cattle producers and listen to our stories. You would be hard pressed to find any cattle producer who would use any feed with animal protiens for their cows. They would find another way to feed them.</p><p></p><p>From a producer who is hanging on by a thread....who has been through the financial rollermill, who is now working 18 hour days. Holding down 4 jobs to make the farm work</p><p>In January of 2003 we had the world at our feet. We expanded our cows, had plans of working our land that was 40 yrs old in production. We had projects on the go. We did not live out of our means. We were young and had dreams. Not of being really big, but getting to 100 cows, maybe enough hay to sell a bit, and have hubby quit his off farm Job.</p><p>May 2003,</p><p>BSE was found. Cattle prices slumped. No money to fix land, a drought hit, no money for feed, now i had to get an off farm job as well. We scraped together enough guts and $ to get our herd to 100 hoping it would pay the bills. Hubby gets laid off. We now need to diverefy. We start honey bees. We start two, now we are at 150 hoping to get to 300 this spring. We work like dogs, it's just the two of us. I work off farm, we, raise bees, raise cows, sell honey by products off farm, travelling almost every weekend from Sept to Dec. I am exhausted. The year before prices started to rebound a bit. We had hopes of breaking even in cows. The market dropped again. Inputs rose. If we did not have bees, we would not have made it. We cut to the bone. Nothing extra. Worked harder. Floods hit, hay is crap, only half of it was made. Now the cow herd we worked so hard for reduced in great # because we had no money to buy hay, the market did not even make it feasible to buy hay to get by another year.</p><p>We are now calving. We did everything right. Cut where we could, reduced the herd to match the hay. Only to see our cows going down hill. The winter was fierce. 8 weeks of -40 weather took its tole on the herd. With crap hay, we could not give them enough TDN. We had to buy feed, what we hoped not to do. Now we start calving. We are wondering is it worth it. The 2 am and 4 am nite checks, the hard pulls, the 24/7 work. I walked out into our calving area the other day. I admit, I've walked away from the cows and left it in hubby's hands. Everytime i saw the herd, I asked myself where are the rest of the cows. There is nothing left. Hubby felt the same way the first two months of feeding every other day. Now i have to deal with it. I have to help with calving, and i ask myself each time i am out there, where are the rest of the cows. Our herd looks so small. Everything we worked for, down the toliet, all because some shmuk thought it was ok to feed animal by products to cows.</p><p></p><p>You ask who has been hurt....I have. My husband has....the in laws have...now you know someone who has...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rockridgecattle, post: 640803, member: 6198"] Mod, I know this might get locked but i really felt this had to get said. Apology in advance. HS you ask who in the US has been hurt by chicken litter being fed to our cows I am only going to post this once. Please stop over analyizing. Everyone in Canada and the US have been hurt by feeding ruminent material to cows. I am including chicken litter along with anything else. In Canada it was calf starter. But if a size of grain of sand BSE particle can infect a young calf, then truely it does not matter it fed. If it has animal protien in it, the risk is there. And if the risk it there then it should be a no brainer that we do not take that risk. Anyone who does, risks all of us who are in the cattle business more than the risks we have taken now. You ask why do i say this, what is my proof. Our borders closed Our cattle prices dropped farm are closing left and right because they can not get back on their feet financially Now that we depleted our savings to stay afloat over BSE, we have nothing left to fight this down turn in the economy. Families have experienced emotional, financial, and some even physical pain due to the stresses on the farm because of this. You ask who has been hurt, I put to you, anyone who has any interest invested in cattle farming. From the cattle producer to the feed lots, to the slaughter houses, implement dealers, feed houses, tractor supply shops, vets, any one who has anything to do with the cattle farm Government money which has been spent on trade missions to re open the border, New testing and monitoring of cattle legal battles and much much more If you do not believe me, cross our border, visit us cattle producers and listen to our stories. You would be hard pressed to find any cattle producer who would use any feed with animal protiens for their cows. They would find another way to feed them. From a producer who is hanging on by a thread....who has been through the financial rollermill, who is now working 18 hour days. Holding down 4 jobs to make the farm work In January of 2003 we had the world at our feet. We expanded our cows, had plans of working our land that was 40 yrs old in production. We had projects on the go. We did not live out of our means. We were young and had dreams. Not of being really big, but getting to 100 cows, maybe enough hay to sell a bit, and have hubby quit his off farm Job. May 2003, BSE was found. Cattle prices slumped. No money to fix land, a drought hit, no money for feed, now i had to get an off farm job as well. We scraped together enough guts and $ to get our herd to 100 hoping it would pay the bills. Hubby gets laid off. We now need to diverefy. We start honey bees. We start two, now we are at 150 hoping to get to 300 this spring. We work like dogs, it's just the two of us. I work off farm, we, raise bees, raise cows, sell honey by products off farm, travelling almost every weekend from Sept to Dec. I am exhausted. The year before prices started to rebound a bit. We had hopes of breaking even in cows. The market dropped again. Inputs rose. If we did not have bees, we would not have made it. We cut to the bone. Nothing extra. Worked harder. Floods hit, hay is crap, only half of it was made. Now the cow herd we worked so hard for reduced in great # because we had no money to buy hay, the market did not even make it feasible to buy hay to get by another year. We are now calving. We did everything right. Cut where we could, reduced the herd to match the hay. Only to see our cows going down hill. The winter was fierce. 8 weeks of -40 weather took its tole on the herd. With crap hay, we could not give them enough TDN. We had to buy feed, what we hoped not to do. Now we start calving. We are wondering is it worth it. The 2 am and 4 am nite checks, the hard pulls, the 24/7 work. I walked out into our calving area the other day. I admit, I've walked away from the cows and left it in hubby's hands. Everytime i saw the herd, I asked myself where are the rest of the cows. There is nothing left. Hubby felt the same way the first two months of feeding every other day. Now i have to deal with it. I have to help with calving, and i ask myself each time i am out there, where are the rest of the cows. Our herd looks so small. Everything we worked for, down the toliet, all because some shmuk thought it was ok to feed animal by products to cows. You ask who has been hurt....I have. My husband has....the in laws have...now you know someone who has... [/QUOTE]
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