White-eye Pic.

[Sir Loin]

White-eye Pic.

Here is a pic, taken today, of my latest gift. Among other things he has this problem.

He was born with this white spot on his eye.
I got him at 3 days old and the spot was twice as big as it is now.
Today, 9-15 he is a week old.

After a week of treatment the spot has been reduced by 50% and I fully expect a complete recovery.

Any suggestions as to the cause?
Thanks
SL

OoooK.
The top spot is from the flash of the camera.
The bottom spot is the white-eye.

 

[dun]

Was the cow vacinated for IBR?

 

[Sir Loin]

Dun,
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Was the cow vaccinated for IBR?

I would have to say yes, although I didn’t personally see it done.
This particular calf came from a dairy herd/farm who ship milk daily, so I will have to assume all vaccinations are kept up to date.
He is a Jersey cross.
I have gotten calves from this dairy and one other, in addition to 2 separate beef operations with white-eye of varying degrees.

This calf is the lest effected as it only has it in one eye and it is small.

Here is the worst case I have see. This case was a black Angus back in 07.
Was born with both eyes effected.
Most of the wetness and hair discoloration you see is from my treatment and has little to do with the condition.
SL.

 

[fitz]

Did that one clear up?

fitz

 

[Sir Loin]

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Did that one clear up?

Yes. After a long rehab program I managed to get her sight back and I think I sold her for $1,200 with calf by her side and bred back, ( AKA: Proven )
No follow up since then.
SL

 

[Isomade]

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Did that one clear up?

Yes. After a long rehab program I managed to get her sight back and I think I sold her for $1,200 with calf by her side and bred back, ( AKA: Proven )
No follow up since then.
SL

May I ask what you treat it with?

 

[snickers]

at first i thought with the first calf that could of been a piece of straw or hay poked him in the eye but the second one i would of thought born blind. knock on wood we've never had that to happen to us or even when i still lived at home with my dads calves. please by all means tell us what you treated with just in case.

 

[Gale Seddon]

Looking at those pictures makes my eyes water. I wonder, could it be the calf got no colostrum?

 

[Sir Loin]

Let me correct myself so as not to miss lead you.
I believe I stated I have seen about 50 cases of white-eye
Wrong!
Instead of counting sheep last night, I counted white-eye cattle I have seen.
Correct that number to read over 100 since 07.

As for the calf’s age, after checking with an employee of the dairy farm today where I got him, the calf was 10 - 15 days old when I got him. So lets say he is now 20 days old.

Here are some more pics of him that may help us determine the cause of his illnesses.
SL

 

[Isomade]

SL I still want to know what you have been treating them with, if you don't mind. It seems to be very effective.

 

[TexasBred]

The pic of the calf sucking on your fingers is the same pic you posted back in 2008. How did you cure that one? Looks like it might be a Vitamin A deficient in the adult cattle during pregnancy.

 

[Sir Loin]

Isomade

Check you PM.

SL

 

[Sir Loin]

Brad,
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The pic of the calf sucking on your fingers is the same pic you posted back in 2008.

True, I took them in 07 , or was it 06, they are in my 07 file, and came here in Jan of 07 to see if I could get any help trying to find out what the cause was.
Anywho, I did previously post them. My how time flies when you’RE having fun.
Thanks for youR participation.
SL

 

[TexasBred]

What took care of the problem back then??

 

[Sir Loin]

TexasBred

What took care of the problem back then??

The same thing that is curing this latest one.
There are no internal medications involved, although over the years I have tried most of them. The cure is simply an lengthy external procedure.

I am not interested in a cure, I want to know if anyone has any suggestion as to a cause.
I am looking for a possible cause I have not already ruled out.
I believe it is dietary.
SL

 

[regolith]

Here are some more pics of him that may help us determine the cause of his illnesses

aside from the fact that he's obviously scouring?

Could you up the cryptic and avoidance a little... there might be a few readers around just about able to understand what you're getting at.

Anyways, white eye - you're evidently not talking about 'pink-eye', conjunctivitis and the pictures are very unclear. Would you call this white eye?
http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... heifer.JPG
or are you talking about something else.
Calves like the above I don't worry about. If it's something else, likely I've never seen it. Which means my herd doesn't have the cause present?

I wouldn't be too quick to presume that because it's a dairy the cows are vaccinated for IBR, unless it's a legal requirement in your part of the world.

Here's another question you can not answer if you so wish - how many fresh new individual cattle do you see in a year that you can number the spinal injuries and 'white eye' conditions observed over 100 in a few years.

 

[TexasBred]

TexasBred

What took care of the problem back then??

The same thing that is curing this latest one.
There are no internal medications involved, although over the years I have tried most of them. The cure is simply an lengthy external procedure.

I am not interested in a cure, I want to know if anyone has any suggestion as to a cause.
I am looking for a possible cause I have not already ruled out.
I believe it is dietary.
SL

How long are you going to keep us hanging on?You have a cure yet you say you "believe" it is dietary. I gave my thoughts....But, the pen is filthy, the scours just look like overfeeding milk/milk replacer. If it was born that way it has to have something to do with the mother cow.

 

[Sir Loin]

And the personal attacks begin!
Just like the last time I brought this subject up.

For you people who have a personal and/or political agenda let me make this perfectly clear.
I WILL NOT RESPOND TO PERSONAL ATTACKS, as I did the last time I tried to discuss this with you.
. So have at it.
And that is not the medication speaking, it’s the real me. Like it or lump it.
I am short and to the point. So if my opinion bothers you, don’t read my posts.
It’s that simple.


regolith
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aside from the fact that he's obviously scouring?

I would not call that scouring. I would call it a mild case of diarrhea.
If he were scouring, it would be more of a silver color, not yellow.
The fact that he has it all over his butt and tail is because he only gets up to eat.
His abdomen also does a lot of growling for about ½ hr after he takes his milk.

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Would you call this white eye?

http://ranchers.net/photopost/data/500/ ... heifer.JPG

Not sure! Could be.
As I can not see the eye balls close up and from this angle. What I may be seeing is camera flash or sun or cloud glare/reflections.
What leads me to believe it may be infected is his body condition and the condition of the pasture and cows in the back ground.

My observation:
The calf looks under weight and has a poor coat compared to the cows in the back ground.. He should be well fed (momma milk ) plus good pasture.
The cows in the back ground, on a scale of 1 - 10, look to be only a 6, on pasture that should have them at least at 8.
Is this calf an orphan? Do you have any better pics?
( interesting ear tag )??

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how many fresh new individual cattle do you see in a year that you can number the spinal injuries and 'white eye' conditions observed over 100 in a few years.

That number is probably in the thousands.
Besides the local herds I am associated with yearly, and as a fairly regular attendee of both my local action houses, it has to be over a 1,000 per year.

If it is my credentials that enables me to speak on the subject you are after:
I have none, except 66 years of “on the job training“, the ability to read and converse ( in English), logic and reasoning abilities and a highly honed investigative abilities.
As for the cure for white-eye, I will post it on a separate thread and you can have at it.
Keep your eye open for:
The cure for White-eye. This board.
SL
PS If you would like to bring attention to and correct any spelling and/or grammar error I make please feel free to do so, as I am here to learn.

 

[Sir Loin]

TexasBred

I suspect you don’t see many cases of white-eye down your way, or it’s simple being diagnosed as pink-eye.

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If it was born that way it has to have something to do with the mother cow.

True! I agree.
For a newborn, but how do we explain a weaned 600 lb calf coming down with it? Or a heifer or 4 year old cow?
This is not just showing up in newborns.

SL

Edited to add:
From another board”

Any help or advice please
Heifer was fine yesterday but today one eye is streaming and the eyeball is completly white.

From even another board:

Question
Question
We have had several cows in our herd with one eye turning completely white and there is no drainage or anything. Also one calf born with one eye white-out completely. Our vet said it was a "virus" and gave the entire herd a "vaccine" Not sure what the name is but the calf with the white eye was born after all the heifers were vaccinated. Any explanation is appreciated. Thank you, Carlen

Almost sounds the start of an epidemic to me.
SL

 

[regolith]

The colour you can see is the natural colour, not reflection. Pupils not affected. I've seen a few more this year with light irises but none as extreme as that one. She can see okay. Calf is three days old, maybe less, according to the date that photo was taken.
I don't use camera flash in those conditions - part of what has obscured your photos is the use of flash in a dark interior.

I don't differentiate between diarrhoea and scouring. Far as I'm concerned they're one and the same, causes differ but treatment needn't (meaning, all scouring causes dehydration to some extent).

I did take a few pictures that day but it's 4:20 am now, I'm not about to start uploading over dial-up, maybe tomorrow. The story of the cows and their condition score and current pasture is a complicated one which you might have some idea of if you'd read every post in the forum for the last three years - the herd has come back together from several different farms and some came back in very poor condition.
The NZ dairy scale runs 1 - 9, the herd averaged a condition score four or just over and should have been a five at that time of year. No individual cow was as heavy as a five.
The ear tag is a bobby tag - for slaughter calves.