While the hereford folks seem to be having fun on the boards
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backhoeboogie
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Well Kernsie, I don't own a single herf, but I have sure enjoyed following the discussions you herf folks have been having.
Stocker Steve
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They look a little darker than my Herefords?
Stocker Steve
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I was hoping they were not black...
Herefords.US
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:lol: :lol: :lol:Stocker Steve":32qkszyr said:
As usually - great bulls - but the background is beautiful!
JHH
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KNERSIE":2d9laxoa said:
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I am guessing ( To much white )
I like them as always. White and all.
WichitaLineMan
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Too much white is what I am guessing. Probably any white would be too much for his tastes.
Bulls look great.
Bulls look great.
Hereford76
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so now you guys have an abbreviation for too much white? personally, i've never been a stickler on white - if its right... its right.
1914 Hereford
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There are sure more important things than too much white. I think that these bulls HAVE what is more important than too much white.
1914 Hereford":tzhnq6v5 said:
I agree 100% Jane, how little or how much white has never played any role in my selection criteria.
For those who are sticklers on white its time you pull the history books closer and study the breed in its country of origen.
1982vett
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Always liked a bit of chrome.
KNERSIE":2ci8gse8 said:
Pulled out the history book and as I stated, TMW. Based on the Hereford Breed standard, the bulls grade -1 to -2 as far as coloration. Im not hating, they are structurally sound bulls. They just have TMW for my liking. That amount of white will raise noses in the show ring and be docked in the sale ring. The amount of white should play a role in your selection criteria. At what point, in your opinion, is there TMW? In the "history books", you will find cases of almost spotted herefords. Surely you support some breed color standard???
Maybe you can show us what the breed standard are according to your history books? I know very well what the standards was in the UK, the USA and elsewhere, but I'm always open to be convinced with enough proof.
The hereford breed as a whole has got bigger problems to worry about in North America than a little extra white in the opinion of some.
The hereford breed as a whole has got bigger problems to worry about in North America than a little extra white in the opinion of some.
KNERSIE":2mgb4ylu said:
Journal of Genetics, Vol. 9:
This diagram shows the various grades of pigmentation in Hereford cattle, grade "O" showing the standard or desired amount. The black portions are, of course, intended to represent a deep, rich red. The "typical Hereford" is described as "a deep red beast, with white face and underparts, white feet, white at the end of the tail, and with a white patch along the top of the neck. Coat color, which should be a rich purple red, not a yellow-brown; a clean, clear nose, without spots or markings; and the horns, which should be free from pigment at the tips." The salient points relate to the quality and distribution of pigment in the coat. As regards quality, the desired shade is an intense red (never black) distributed throughout the coat except where white is found.
Interesting, who published the Journal of genetics?
All the references to showring standards I've seen was always only a description, I can't remember ever seeing the diagrams. All of them say ideally the white crest shouldn't go back further than the withers on the back, there must be a break between the white head and the white crest. White shouldn't be above the knee or hocks on the legs, excessive white on the flanks is undesired. The entire head must be white without red spots, the horns without pigment, no spots on muzzle etc. It also states that less white is equally undesirable and that red legs, red necks and linebacks should be discriminated against.
According to your diagrams my two bulls is probably closer to a 0 and -1. In the traditional hereford genepool in the UK, which is without a doubt the most pure hereford genepool in the world, -3 and -4 is the norm rather than the exception.
In the UK and in the 3rd world petty things such as a touch too much white or too little white don't affect sale price and will only come into play in the showring if two animals are absolutely equal otherwise.
All the references to showring standards I've seen was always only a description, I can't remember ever seeing the diagrams. All of them say ideally the white crest shouldn't go back further than the withers on the back, there must be a break between the white head and the white crest. White shouldn't be above the knee or hocks on the legs, excessive white on the flanks is undesired. The entire head must be white without red spots, the horns without pigment, no spots on muzzle etc. It also states that less white is equally undesirable and that red legs, red necks and linebacks should be discriminated against.
According to your diagrams my two bulls is probably closer to a 0 and -1. In the traditional hereford genepool in the UK, which is without a doubt the most pure hereford genepool in the world, -3 and -4 is the norm rather than the exception.
In the UK and in the 3rd world petty things such as a touch too much white or too little white don't affect sale price and will only come into play in the showring if two animals are absolutely equal otherwise.
