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<blockquote data-quote="Willow Springs" data-source="post: 714268" data-attributes="member: 9002"><p>There were a whole lot of cattleman that thought the way Kit does before he came along, he didn't just pick this out of the air, and there are even more that think the way he does now. Kit is probably the most vocal, but that doesn't mean he is alone.</p><p></p><p>The problem is this; most cattleman don't have experience on both sides of the arguement. Most of you are arguing from the larger cow size without ever trying the other side, or opening your minds to the logic of it. Some who are old enough always reference the belt buckle cattle; but those cattle had frame scores of less than 1 or didn't even register on the chart. That is a far cry from the 2-4 frame that Kit and many others would raise. To take it one step further, if you read what Kit says in his writings, he doesn't breed his frame 2 bull to his frame 2 cow. He knows that these extremely small cattle don't fit the industry box, and readily states it. I wrote earlier in this thread ( I think) about our experience with frame score and body weight, and the truth of it is that if you want a 1200-1300 lb cow that you can stand to look at she will have to be 3-4 frame.</p><p></p><p>The other problem is that most cattleman won't admit they have 1400-1500 lb cows (or thin 1400-1500 lb cows that weigh 1200-1300). They have brain washed themselves into thinking their cows are 1300 lbs. How are we raising 1300 lb cows when most of the bulls in the stud and bull sales are from 1500+ lb cows and have a frame score 0f 5-6?? That really goes against logic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willow Springs, post: 714268, member: 9002"] There were a whole lot of cattleman that thought the way Kit does before he came along, he didn't just pick this out of the air, and there are even more that think the way he does now. Kit is probably the most vocal, but that doesn't mean he is alone. The problem is this; most cattleman don't have experience on both sides of the arguement. Most of you are arguing from the larger cow size without ever trying the other side, or opening your minds to the logic of it. Some who are old enough always reference the belt buckle cattle; but those cattle had frame scores of less than 1 or didn't even register on the chart. That is a far cry from the 2-4 frame that Kit and many others would raise. To take it one step further, if you read what Kit says in his writings, he doesn't breed his frame 2 bull to his frame 2 cow. He knows that these extremely small cattle don't fit the industry box, and readily states it. I wrote earlier in this thread ( I think) about our experience with frame score and body weight, and the truth of it is that if you want a 1200-1300 lb cow that you can stand to look at she will have to be 3-4 frame. The other problem is that most cattleman won't admit they have 1400-1500 lb cows (or thin 1400-1500 lb cows that weigh 1200-1300). They have brain washed themselves into thinking their cows are 1300 lbs. How are we raising 1300 lb cows when most of the bulls in the stud and bull sales are from 1500+ lb cows and have a frame score 0f 5-6?? That really goes against logic. [/QUOTE]
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