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<blockquote data-quote="Willow Springs" data-source="post: 713961" data-attributes="member: 9002"><p>If you start frame scoring, weighing and body condition scoring you will find that the only way to decrease cow weight (and keep body mass) is by decreasing frame score. A couple years ago we did it and found that cows of a specific frame size, adjusted to a specific BCS were all very similar for body weight. My 5-6 frame Angus cows were 1450-1550 lbs with a BCS of 5.5 (3 Canada). That is bigger than where I want to be. My smallest was 4.5 and she was about 1350. I realized that to get the elusive 1200 lb cow that I needed a 3-4 frame cow if I wanted her to be a good thick made cow. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What is too big or too small depends on how much you want to change the environment for your cattle. I often read about small framed feeders being discounted on this site; is this based on actual truth or coffee shop talk or just pure BS? How do you tell a small framed feeder from an animal that is simply a month or two younger? The simple truth is as you have put it; you can feed more smaller cows, rasing more pounds of calf, worth more per pound on the same acreage than you can larger cows. It doesn't matter what the environment is, this doesn't change. What does change is whether you can get away with raising larger cows or not; in our area (and yours by the sound of it) we can becasue of more yield and nutrition in our grass; doesn't mean it is the right thing to do; we should just run even more small cows.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I guess that you should be in the feeding business then because they are claiming they have been <u>losing</u> $100-200 per head.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willow Springs, post: 713961, member: 9002"] If you start frame scoring, weighing and body condition scoring you will find that the only way to decrease cow weight (and keep body mass) is by decreasing frame score. A couple years ago we did it and found that cows of a specific frame size, adjusted to a specific BCS were all very similar for body weight. My 5-6 frame Angus cows were 1450-1550 lbs with a BCS of 5.5 (3 Canada). That is bigger than where I want to be. My smallest was 4.5 and she was about 1350. I realized that to get the elusive 1200 lb cow that I needed a 3-4 frame cow if I wanted her to be a good thick made cow. What is too big or too small depends on how much you want to change the environment for your cattle. I often read about small framed feeders being discounted on this site; is this based on actual truth or coffee shop talk or just pure BS? How do you tell a small framed feeder from an animal that is simply a month or two younger? The simple truth is as you have put it; you can feed more smaller cows, rasing more pounds of calf, worth more per pound on the same acreage than you can larger cows. It doesn't matter what the environment is, this doesn't change. What does change is whether you can get away with raising larger cows or not; in our area (and yours by the sound of it) we can becasue of more yield and nutrition in our grass; doesn't mean it is the right thing to do; we should just run even more small cows. Well I guess that you should be in the feeding business then because they are claiming they have been [u]losing[/u] $100-200 per head. [/QUOTE]
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