Where is all this sulfur coming from?

[NC Liz 2]

Where is all this sulfur coming from?

Here is one right from the horse's mouth!
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/articles ... r-build-up

 

[sim.-ang.king]

I'm more concerned about where all the poop comes from.

 

[Taurus]

I'm more concerned about where all the poop comes from.

Which end? From the butt or from the mouth?

 

[jedstivers]

S in Distellers is not a new thing. It's been known for quite some time. Some feeders have to even watch their well water because its high in S and they don't want to get to much.
Liz what is all your interest in this for?

 

[cross_7]

Sirloin like
Funny aint it

 

[Anonymous]

I'm still waiting for the "peeing myself laughing "
Part of this whole charade

 

[backhoeboogie]

Iron sulfide. Right out of the well water. Hydrogen peroxide injections into the water makes it dissipate. To expensive to use for cattle for me personally. Works wonders for the home tho.

 

[NC Liz 2]

Liz what is all your interest in this for?

That's a fair question and deserves an answer.
I assume for some of the same reason you are on this board.
To possibly improve the cattle industry so we all can make a better living doing what we so enjoy.
For me personally, I am tired of hearing about and seeing cattle suffer and die needlessly
I am tired of seeing people paying for vets only to have the animal die and the vet can't answer why it died.
I am tired of seeing vets refuse to treat large animals because experience has showed that he/she can't make a difference and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattleman/women going out of the business because their cattle have died and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattlemen blaming themselves and feeling guilty because their cattle have died and they don't know why

All I am doing is throwing out there what little I have learned in the hopes it just might help someone answer the question “WHY”?

Now two question for yous.
Why are you on the CT board?
Why are you so opposed to others possibly learning something new which could make their lives better and more profitable?
Liz

 

[Angus Cowman]

Liz what is all your interest in this for?

That's a fair question and deserves an answer.
I assume for some of the same reason you are on this board.
To possibly improve the cattle industry so we all can make a better living doing what we so enjoy.
For me personally, I am tired of hearing about and seeing cattle suffer and die needlessly
I am tired of seeing people paying for vets only to have the animal die and the vet can't answer why it died.
I am tired of seeing vets refuse to treat large animals because experience has showed that he/she can't make a difference and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattleman/women going out of the business because their cattle have died and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattlemen blaming themselves and feeling guilty because their cattle have died and they don't know why

All I am doing is throwing out there what little I have learned in the hopes it just might help someone answer the question “WHY”?

Now two question for yous.
Why are you on the CT board?
Why are you so opposed to others possibly learning something new which could make their lives better and more profitable?
Liz

I just come here for the wimmins

 

[jedstivers]

I'm on this board because it is the place to be. Things to learn, things to share.
I am not in the least opposed to others learning. Why do you think I am?
The Sulfer thing is not just killing cattle indiscriminately. It's very well known to monitor S levels if you are feeding Distlers. Also not a lot of feeders on this board.

 

[Howdyjabo]

Sounds to me like someone screwed up some cattle, and wants something to blame besides themselves.

Distillers/Corn Gluten feed are not evil, they have issues just like any other feed .

 

[cross_7]

For me personally, I am tired of hearing about and seeing cattle suffer and die needlessly
I am tired of seeing people paying for vets only to have the animal die and the vet can't answer why it died.
I am tired of seeing vets refuse to treat large animals because experience has showed that he/she can't make a difference and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattleman/women going out of the business because their cattle have died and they don't know why
I am tired of good cattlemen blaming themselves and feeling guilty because their cattle have died and they don't know why
Liz[/quote]

I think everyone that feeds distillers is aware of the sulfur, this is not new to anyone.
I don't think anyone has had the problems you have stated above.
If you have a personal vendetta with distiller that's your right but to harp on it non-stop to the same crowd is annoying
Spread it around some and cut us a break

 

[greybeard]

I guess I'll be the odd person out..
I don't feed distillers byproducts, tho from everything I've read and heard about it, it's a good product and a good value.
Having said that, I do have some questions about the current discussions and subject matter, and my reasons for asking them is that I am by nature--curious, in addition to having a life long irresistible penchant to learn.
I'm not much on "the sky is falling" type things but I'm equally against shooting a messenger just to silence a message.

1. Are the end providers of ddg informing the consumers (us) that there is a concern regarding sulfur content? Is it mentioned other than listing the amt of sulphur--or is it just left up to the livestock producer to perform due diligence?

2. How much of the sulphur that is ingested isn't assimilated or broken down and makes it's way thru the digestive tract and out onto the soil thru cow poop? (An approximate % of what is ingested is close enough for me.)

3. Is there any PROVEN danger whatsoever of increased sulphur levels showing up in humans due to increased ingestion by livestock?

4. Last couple times I went to get fertilizer, I noticed a growing number of varieties with sulphur content listed along with N-P-K.
That's something relatively new for me. Is it being labeled that way as an information type thing regarding the manufacturing process or is supposed to be a selling point to lower ph?

 

[jedstivers]

We are having to apply more Sulfur with our fertilizer. S in manure would be a good thing. Can't answer the other questions.

 

[greybeard]

Is sulphur being substituted for traditional lime treatment to manage ph?

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Look at the nitrogen Grey.

 

[cross_7]

A study conducted at South Dakota State
University reported that cattle fed 35
percent DDGS had increased amounts of
hydrogen sulfide at the floor level of clay
dirt cattle pens compared with cattle
fed 0 percent, 15 percent and 25 percent
DDGS (Benson, Wright, McCarthick and
Pritchard, 2006). These researchers did
not find any hydrogen sulfide
concentrations above 13 parts per billion
(ppb) at the floor level of the pen,
indicating no safety concern related to
hydrogen sulfide in this type of housing
system. It is possible that feeding high
amounts of distiller’s grains to cattle in
indoor confinement operations, especially
those with manure pits underneath the
animals that store manure for long periods
of time, may result in hydrogen sulfide
production that could create a hazardous
situation.

Increased sulfur in the distillers grains comes from adding sulfur to the ethanol machines, Archibeque said. High levels of sulfur can cause sulfur toxicity in cattle. While that doesn't taint meat, cattle suffer neurological damage that causes the animals to ram their heads into the wall, stare up at the sky and, if not treated, die

A 2006 Iowa State University study found that feeding 20 percent or 40 percent distillers grains increased feedlot phosphorous in manure by 60 percent to 120 percent.
Environmentally, increased phosphorous levels in cow manure can seep into the ground and water, causing utrification, which occurs when algae blooms suck oxygen out of the water, killing fish and presenting other ecosystem problems.

"To make sure they don't over phosphorous apply, ranchers have to have more land to spread the manure on," Archibeque said.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Local vet compared it peeling all the insulation off a bunch of wires in a telephone wire. All the phones were ringing but nobody knew who was calling who.

 

[dun]

Is sulphur being substituted for traditional lime treatment to manage ph?

It's my understanding that the clean fuels we are now using is why there is a shortage of sulphur in the soil.

 

[greybeard]

I haven't had one done in several years, but of the others over about 30 years in different locales, I've never had a soil sample results come back recommending sulphur be added. Had lots recommending lime, nitrogen, and potash tho.

Look at the nitrogen Grey.

In what?