sim.-ang.king
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I voted # 6.....LOL
Where do you think showing is going
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sim.-ang.king
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Why did you pick what you voted for
I think you missed one "Balanced and Complete". I do not think there should be a type; I think they should pick the overall best animal. They should be somewhere between 1200 and 1400 pounds, finished, sound, and then eye appealing.
If they got taller, wider, and deeper they would weigh 1600 and up. Most of your Majors are won by calves that weigh1400 to 1500 or more now, they may not weigh-in at that but that's their real weight.
I think they are starting to select a more balanced animal, more extreme than the average commercial animal but complete and balanced. Soundness is coming into play more, like it should. If they are sound enough to move at a normal pace, with out pain, at 1200-1400 pounds, around the ring, they can move to the feed and the water in a feed lot. That’s good enough for me. The animal should be judged on it confirmation, soundness, and it perceived finished product. Fat’s should be judged by how the look that day and on that day only. Prospect and Progress animals can be judged on the present and their future potential.
Heifers and bulls are a different story, they need to move like a cat, if they can’t move at 800 pounds, how are they going to move in a pasture when they are for cows heavy with a calf or for bulls chasing cows. They need to always be judged on the present and the future, if a judge sees any indication of future problems he should drop them down in their placing.
I think the best judge for breeding animals would be someone from a cow calf operation, as long as they could be “breed blind”, and just select the best animals they think have a future.
If they got taller, wider, and deeper they would weigh 1600 and up. Most of your Majors are won by calves that weigh1400 to 1500 or more now, they may not weigh-in at that but that's their real weight.
I think they are starting to select a more balanced animal, more extreme than the average commercial animal but complete and balanced. Soundness is coming into play more, like it should. If they are sound enough to move at a normal pace, with out pain, at 1200-1400 pounds, around the ring, they can move to the feed and the water in a feed lot. That’s good enough for me. The animal should be judged on it confirmation, soundness, and it perceived finished product. Fat’s should be judged by how the look that day and on that day only. Prospect and Progress animals can be judged on the present and their future potential.
Heifers and bulls are a different story, they need to move like a cat, if they can’t move at 800 pounds, how are they going to move in a pasture when they are for cows heavy with a calf or for bulls chasing cows. They need to always be judged on the present and the future, if a judge sees any indication of future problems he should drop them down in their placing.
I think the best judge for breeding animals would be someone from a cow calf operation, as long as they could be “breed blind”, and just select the best animals they think have a future.
VCC":3i2z9d34 said:
Good post......now convince the show industry and club calve producers to agree with you.
If they did what you have said then the show industry would be more like the REAL cattle world as it should be.
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sim.-ang.king
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Yea that's going to be the hard part, convince everyone to switch when they already have all their calves breed for deeper, wider and won't have anything to sell. It's like trying to convince the oil comps. to drill more to lower the gas prices. Not going to happen any time soon.
Good post...sorry didn't think of everything to vote on.
Good post...sorry didn't think of everything to vote on.
From talking to people in the show industry, middle of the road sized animals are going to become more prevalent, like frame scores 5-6. From many bulls that I've seen, it seems like they aren't going to the extremes of height and mass.
Judges pick them that way, the breeder will breed them that way. Most use a Sim-Angus or Main-Angus based cow herd with some club calf genetics mixed in. There are bulls out there that bred to these cows will produce a good balanced calf that is eye appealing. It would phase out some of the genetic defects carriers at the same time.
