What's your take on this?

[Jogeephus]

I know its a tragedy that the man was killed but what's your opinion of having to let the public walk across your property like they do in the UK?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-11751079

 

[highgrit]

I like our laws much better, I can't see a public foot path on my private property. Fight for your rights or lose them. Hope the farmer wasn't held liable for that nonsense.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

I like our laws much better, I can't see a public foot path on my private property. Fight for your rights or lose them. Hope the farmer wasn't held liable for that nonsense.

and i hope he gets compensated for his bull

 

[Jogeephus]

I found this in relation to their laws. Sounds kinda like he will be getting sued. (keep in mind the UK was often used as an example for why we need to register our animals)

It is an offence to allow a bull over 10 months old and on its own to be at large in a field crossed by a public right of way. It is also an offence to keep a bull of a recognised dairy breed (even if accompanied by cows/heifers) on land crossed by a public right of way.
Bulls which are less than 10 months old, or of a recognised beef breed and at large with cows/heifers are exceptions to this rule.

 

[pdfangus]

I found this in relation to their laws. Sounds kinda like he will be getting sued. (keep in mind the UK was often used as an example for why we need to register our animals)

It is an offence to allow a bull over 10 months old and on its own to be at large in a field crossed by a public right of way. It is also an offence to keep a bull of a recognised dairy breed (even if accompanied by cows/heifers) on land crossed by a public right of way.
Bulls which are less than 10 months old, or of a recognised beef breed and at large with cows/heifers are exceptions to this rule.

WELL...
If what is posted here is in fact the law.....
then it contradicts itself....
first sentence says bull over ten months old....no reference to type or breed.
last sentence says "or of a recognized beef breed and at large with cows or heifers are exceptions."
article did not say dairy or beef or breed of bull.
I have seen some beef bulls that would willingly kill you too.
Saw one last year and told the owner he was going to hurt someone. He ignored me and said he was alright. Six months later the bull treed him. fortunately no one got hurt.
You did not want to walk thru my cow herd at night anyway. the cows would get you when they had young calves.

 

[Jogeephus]

Kinda confusing isn't it? But remember we need to do like they do. :???:

Here is the webpage if you are interested in reading the rules. Pretty interesting.

http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=12952

 

[Victoria]

I am continuously surprised by the number of people in the last few years who have no respect for private property. Had a couple the other day decided to take a stroll across our field and were going to cut through our backyard. Our dog alerted my husband to them. Even with a growling, serious about defending 90 lb dog they were just going to attempt to wander through. Next to that were the bulls that they were also planning on walking into. Really, what is wrong with people??? At least my husband could legal kick them off. But, had they kept on coming and either the dog or bull defended its property we probably would have been sued. I want private property to be private property.

 

[Jogeephus]

I agree. Its hard enough to keep your cattle inside the fences but when anyone is allowed to open the gate and walk through your property this must really make it hard on the farmer. I don't understand this concept of forcing farmers to allow public paths through their property and being liable for damages to people if they are injured. I'm sure there was a good reason for it back in the day when everyone had to walk but I think it is a bit outdated. I'm sure the mushroom pickers around here would really love this rule and I can't help but wonder if I'd be liable if they had a bad trip. :lol2:

 

[dun]

The thing that first comes to mind is biosecurity!

 

[alisonb]

I don't know hey Jo, when you consider the population in that area alone it must be mighty difficult to prevent the public from crossing private property or sticking to a right of way (sort of like - it's getting dark lets take a short cut across this field quickly).
I see the article makes no mention to whether the 'livestock field' was private property or whether they we crossing it via a right of way so we are left a bit in the dark but I certainly would'nt fancy unknowns trapsing through my property :shock: .

This thread has made me appreciate all the space I have around me .

 

[Jogeephus]

This thread has made me appreciate all the space I have around me .

Same here.

I read somewhere that it was private property and the owner may face charges.

Dun I also read someone remarks on the biosecurity issue as well. I didn't quite understand it but apparantly some of them use a dish like thing to disinfect your shoes before entering a field. This farmer said he put these at the path entrances to his land but most of the public would not make their dogs walk through it for fear of getting their feet wet. He didn't seem to like this too much but I really don't understand it too well myself. I think my biggest problem would be having some yahoo leaving my gates open. I have a hard enough time with this as it is without having to let anyone and everyone open and close them.

 

[cow pollinater]

Out here we had a lady that had to threaten to sue the sheriffs department to get them to remove a semi-permanent homeless camp from her property. The occupants were clearly tresspassing and after multiple calls to the sherriffs department over the span of a few months that went un-resolved she was told that since she had not removed the transients from her property within a certain amount of time that they had implied consent to congregate there. Luckily she was smart enough to get a copy of the reports every time a deputy came out so she had proof that she was trying to legally remove them.
The sad part was that she didn't mind them being on the property and was very concerned about everyones' well being but couldn't afford the liability of having them on the property.
This worl would be alot better off if there was no such thing as a lawsuit.

 

[cow pollinater]

Now that I think about it, I used to park my tractor right up next to a beehive to keep my stoner neighbors at that time from stealing the batteries...again...and my insurance agent told me it was alot smarter to let them steal it than it was to let them get stung. I'm out her in the state that elected Jerry Brown for governor.... but still. :roll:

 

[john250]

The law puts a lot of importance into "precedent" . Great Britain has like 2000 years of precedent on this. You can walk all over the place legally.
The USA doesn't have that precedent.

 

[milkmaid]

The thing that first comes to mind is biosecurity!

That's why they had such a big problem with Foot and Mouth Disease... people took it across the countryside.

 

[hillsdown]

The thing that first comes to mind is biosecurity!

That's why they had such a big problem with Foot and Mouth Disease... people took it across the countryside.

Agreed, and it is still common in Europe for people to roam willy nilly.

I posted no hunting or trespassing signs last week on the next quarter , drove by the next day and they were actually ripped down. The @ssholes even destroyed a fence post in the process to get the signs down. What pieces of shytt people can be .. :???:

 

[townfarmer]

The most dangerous thing about walking through cow fields in the UK is that people walk with their dogs. When we were in the cotswalds (Southern England) walking we saw an older couple walking with two little white fluffballs. Theses two little maltese or something ran over and started barking at a cow with a calf. When the cow turned and chased them, guess where they ran? Straight back to their owners with cow in hot pursuit. Fortunately for them the cow pulled up.

A lot of cow human incidents in the UK involve a dog.

Andrew

 

[Wewild]

I don't know hey Jo, when you consider the population in that area alone it must be mighty difficult to prevent the public from crossing private property or sticking to a right of way (sort of like - it's getting dark lets take a short cut across this field quickly).
I see the article makes no mention to whether the 'livestock field' was private property or whether they we crossing it via a right of way so we are left a bit in the dark but I certainly would'nt fancy unknowns trapsing through my property :shock: .

This thread has made me appreciate all the space I have around me .

Me too.

In this area we use to have a lot of roads that cut through large farms or wooded areas for the same reason you describe. The shortest distance is a straight line. Most are gone since the county has to maintain them. I have seen maybe 40's model cars on these way back on old roads no longer accessible but by atvs.

 

[vclavin]

The thing that first comes to mind is biosecurity!

That's why they had such a big problem with Foot and Mouth Disease... people took it across the countryside.

Agreed, and it is still common in Europe for people to roam willy nilly.

I posted no hunting or trespassing signs last week on the next quarter , drove by the next day and they were actually ripped down. The @ssholes even destroyed a fence post in the process to get the signs down. What pieces of shytt people can be .. :???:

Several years ago, hunter left the posts but cut out the wire! Guess it was too far to go around and so next best thing ..... cut the barbed wire and go thru.
Hubby saw a few gentlemen last year parked on our property, hubby went to see what was going on. Would you believe they had the nerve ,to ask him ,who he thought he was, asking them.... what they were doing ?
Valerie