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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1283006" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>There are good commercial-type Shorthorns out there, but you have to know where to look for them; I too would like to see some carried by 'major' semen services... but don't know when or if that will happen. Select Sires has a couple... but they're not what I'd choose to use in my program.</p><p></p><p>We've used all four of the red Waukaru sires at Origen, as well as a couple more from the Cattle Visions offerings (RS DV 729 01 034 04 & A&T Captain Obvious 606S).</p><p>Went over to Shorthorn because most of the Angus genetics we'd used had just been very disappointing. Have been very pleased - and impressed/surprised - with the performance the SH sires we've used have brought to the table. I'm convinced that commercial producers are missing the boat by not considering Shorthorn genetics in a crossbreeding program - but I'm also aware that 'commercial-oriented' Shortie bulls are not as readily available as are some other breeds. </p><p>Growth on the SH-sired steers has been far better than Angus-sired calves, and comparable to Simmental-sired steers. Shorthorn-sired heifers(mostly out of 3/4AN-1/4SM cows) are just coming into production, so the jury is still out on how they're gonna perform as cows. </p><p>Weighed my spring calves yesterday; SH-sired steers and heifers were at the top of the group; Angus at the bottom. </p><p></p><p>Our experiences with the Waukaru SH bulls at Genex:</p><p>W. Goldmine 2109 - extreme calving ease - I'm comfortable using him on virtually any heifer of any breed; growth is good; have several Goldmine daughters that are making nice cows. </p><p>W. Coppertop 464 - not a heifer bull, but have had no calving issues. Steers are top-notch, daughters are looking really nice.</p><p>W. Gold Card 5042 - didn't seem to nick well with our cows, but in retrospect, he was bred mostly to bottom-end cows... have 2 or 3 daughters that are looking good, first will calve this spring</p><p>W. Patent 8161 - first calves will be hitting the ground in March. Top 1% of breed for WW/YW</p><p>Had the opportunity to use semen on Waukaru Orion 2047 (a Patent son out of a Coppertop daughter)...calves were GREAT! </p><p></p><p>Had a small group of Orion and Coppertop-sired steers in a feedout trial...115 head total, 5 of my 8 steers were in the top 30, all in the top 1/2, one Orion son was the top steer overall for WDA, ADG, HCW, Dressing %, REA, % retail product, and overall profitability; YG2,graded low Choice. </p><p></p><p>Steers sired by the RS 034 bull were really good, daughters are great; Capt. Obvious calves came up a bit short on growth, only one CO daughter stayed - she ain't much to look at, but has done a nice job with her first calf.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1283006, member: 12607"] There are good commercial-type Shorthorns out there, but you have to know where to look for them; I too would like to see some carried by 'major' semen services... but don't know when or if that will happen. Select Sires has a couple... but they're not what I'd choose to use in my program. We've used all four of the red Waukaru sires at Origen, as well as a couple more from the Cattle Visions offerings (RS DV 729 01 034 04 & A&T Captain Obvious 606S). Went over to Shorthorn because most of the Angus genetics we'd used had just been very disappointing. Have been very pleased - and impressed/surprised - with the performance the SH sires we've used have brought to the table. I'm convinced that commercial producers are missing the boat by not considering Shorthorn genetics in a crossbreeding program - but I'm also aware that 'commercial-oriented' Shortie bulls are not as readily available as are some other breeds. Growth on the SH-sired steers has been far better than Angus-sired calves, and comparable to Simmental-sired steers. Shorthorn-sired heifers(mostly out of 3/4AN-1/4SM cows) are just coming into production, so the jury is still out on how they're gonna perform as cows. Weighed my spring calves yesterday; SH-sired steers and heifers were at the top of the group; Angus at the bottom. Our experiences with the Waukaru SH bulls at Genex: W. Goldmine 2109 - extreme calving ease - I'm comfortable using him on virtually any heifer of any breed; growth is good; have several Goldmine daughters that are making nice cows. W. Coppertop 464 - not a heifer bull, but have had no calving issues. Steers are top-notch, daughters are looking really nice. W. Gold Card 5042 - didn't seem to nick well with our cows, but in retrospect, he was bred mostly to bottom-end cows... have 2 or 3 daughters that are looking good, first will calve this spring W. Patent 8161 - first calves will be hitting the ground in March. Top 1% of breed for WW/YW Had the opportunity to use semen on Waukaru Orion 2047 (a Patent son out of a Coppertop daughter)...calves were GREAT! Had a small group of Orion and Coppertop-sired steers in a feedout trial...115 head total, 5 of my 8 steers were in the top 30, all in the top 1/2, one Orion son was the top steer overall for WDA, ADG, HCW, Dressing %, REA, % retail product, and overall profitability; YG2,graded low Choice. Steers sired by the RS 034 bull were really good, daughters are great; Capt. Obvious calves came up a bit short on growth, only one CO daughter stayed - she ain't much to look at, but has done a nice job with her first calf. [/QUOTE]
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