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<blockquote data-quote="SRBeef" data-source="post: 771162" data-attributes="member: 7509"><p>I appreciate the comments and suggestions. As far as having another bull in the field to compare....</p><p></p><p>My main criteria for a bull, #1,2 & 3 is calving ease since I am usually not even in the same state as my cattle at calving time. T-21 has excellent calving ease numbers and to date has had zero calving problems. The oinly two problems I had were a couple BWF heifers I left on corn way too long. My problem, not T21's. It does not matter to me at all if another bull in the same field had "better" calving ease numbers. As far as I am concerned zero calving problems is good enough for me (and my neighbor who has used T21).</p><p></p><p>Same with growth - I am weaning close to or over 700 lb at 205 days. How that relates to his growth EPD's exactly is immaterial. I am more concerned about the cow side: weaning weights as a percent of cow weight, than anything about T21. </p><p></p><p>Same with fat and IMF on steers harvested this spring. The carcasses seem to follow the EPD numbers. Are they exact or how would they be compared to another bull in the same paddocks? I dont care. He is giving me what I want and basically what the EPD's indicate I should see.</p><p></p><p>So far his heifer daughters look better than the cows they come from and the heifers have good udders. I won't know about their milk etc until next year but there is probably no problem from what I see so far.</p><p></p><p>Yes I see the point of my experience not proving the numbers without a reference to compare to. However my experience indicates that T21's performance is along the lines of what his EPD's predict.</p><p></p><p>I am not out to check decimal points on EPDs. I am out to sell good quality, mostly grass fed freezer beef. T21 is giving me what I need. My problem is herd building. There comes a point where I need another bull. I hope to work out a plan with my neighbor where we keep T21 and Shorty, breeding selctively to each. Though because they are half brothers this will only work to a point. </p><p></p><p>Jim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SRBeef, post: 771162, member: 7509"] I appreciate the comments and suggestions. As far as having another bull in the field to compare.... My main criteria for a bull, #1,2 & 3 is calving ease since I am usually not even in the same state as my cattle at calving time. T-21 has excellent calving ease numbers and to date has had zero calving problems. The oinly two problems I had were a couple BWF heifers I left on corn way too long. My problem, not T21's. It does not matter to me at all if another bull in the same field had "better" calving ease numbers. As far as I am concerned zero calving problems is good enough for me (and my neighbor who has used T21). Same with growth - I am weaning close to or over 700 lb at 205 days. How that relates to his growth EPD's exactly is immaterial. I am more concerned about the cow side: weaning weights as a percent of cow weight, than anything about T21. Same with fat and IMF on steers harvested this spring. The carcasses seem to follow the EPD numbers. Are they exact or how would they be compared to another bull in the same paddocks? I dont care. He is giving me what I want and basically what the EPD's indicate I should see. So far his heifer daughters look better than the cows they come from and the heifers have good udders. I won't know about their milk etc until next year but there is probably no problem from what I see so far. Yes I see the point of my experience not proving the numbers without a reference to compare to. However my experience indicates that T21's performance is along the lines of what his EPD's predict. I am not out to check decimal points on EPDs. I am out to sell good quality, mostly grass fed freezer beef. T21 is giving me what I need. My problem is herd building. There comes a point where I need another bull. I hope to work out a plan with my neighbor where we keep T21 and Shorty, breeding selctively to each. Though because they are half brothers this will only work to a point. Jim [/QUOTE]
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