Whatcha think bout this?

[cowgirl580]

"I personally have been a vegetairian for the past 15 years, and find it absolutely
disgusting what happens to, and goes into meat. Ugh. I've read in several different
sources that the multi billion dollar meat industry has something to do with the food
pyramid. Everything is about profit in America. Damn the man!! I've heard that if
everyone was a vegetairian, no one would be starving."

this is a statement by a student in my human nutrition class. we are talking about the Food Guide pyramid and the FDA regulations and the gov'ts involvement in it.

thoughts?

 

[cowspider]

Vegetairian is "old" Indian word for Poor Hunter. Cows are vegetarians too and they taste GOOD.

 

[stocky]

everyone has a right to their own opinion, no doubt about that. I pay over 1000 per year to that 1 dollar check off system to allow alot of people that never saw a cow in a pasture sit in an air conditioned office and draw 6 figure salaries when actual farmers are having trouble making payments, so they had BETTER have something to do with that food pyramid. That person has listened to alot of propaganda that is spread every day. There are plenty of facts that tell how important meat is in vitamins, minerals, cancer fighting agents, healthful living, and other benefits. One thing he/she hasnt paid any attention to is the statement that if the world is all vegetarians, no one would be starving. I have been all over Mexico and the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, many people down in those countries dont have any meat to eat, and many of them are starving to death every day. All that person would have to do is look at the news of so many 3rd world countries and see people that never eat meat and are starving. One thing vegetarianism doesnt do, is prevent people from starving to death. I have alot of reactions that are alot stronger, but this is probably as strong as I should respond here

 

[flaboy]

"I personally have been a vegetairian for the past 15 years, and find it absolutely
disgusting what happens to, and goes into meat. Ugh. I've read in several different
sources that the multi billion dollar meat industry has something to do with the food
pyramid. Everything is about profit in America. Damn the man!! I've heard that if
everyone was a vegetairian, no one would be starving."

this is a statement by a student in my human nutrition class. we are talking about the Food Guide pyramid and the FDA regulations and the gov'ts involvement in it.

thoughts?

Well, much to my dislike my son who lives in Calif. (figures huh) is/was a Vegan. He has had so many health problems the doctor finally told him if he would eat meat many of his ills would go away. I almost fell over. A doctor said this? Well anyhow he is back on the meat and doing much better thanks and looks a whole lot better. Won't talk to me because I read him the riot act about getting off his dead a_ _ and get and real job. Oh well, I guess he will get over it eventually. If not the cows will go to someone else.

Ask this person if they know what all they put in that slop to make it edible? Lots of stuff that goes into some "health foods" is not so healthy.

 

[cowgirl580]

i mentioned to her that if she didn't like what was in stores to either grow her own meat or buy from someone she knows who does. i don't see any probs with the meat in stores, don't buy too much of it except bacon though. however, i had never had (real) beef till we moved to colorado in '93. mcdonald's and wendy's and burger king don't count. the only meat i had ever had was elk and deer.

 

[flaboy]

i mentioned to her that if she didn't like what was in stores to either grow her own meat or buy from someone she knows who does. i don't see any probs with the meat in stores, don't buy too much of it except bacon though. however, i had never had (real) beef till we moved to colorado in '93. mcdonald's and wendy's and burger king don't count. the only meat i had ever had was elk and deer.

Oooh I love a good smoked venison rump roast. Don't get much elk down here but had some at a friends home CO once it was good too.

Mickey D's won't publish what is in their beef the last I heard. Tells me there is something in there I might not want to eat. I grow my own beef but sadly I find myself eating more chicken and fish than beef. Oops, don't let that secret out. Well actually I eat about 40% beef, 40% chicken, 20% fish and pork (the white pork).

 

[cowgirl580]

i mentioned to her that if she didn't like what was in stores to either grow her own meat or buy from someone she knows who does. i don't see any probs with the meat in stores, don't buy too much of it except bacon though. however, i had never had (real) beef till we moved to colorado in '93. mcdonald's and wendy's and burger king don't count. the only meat i had ever had was elk and deer.

Oooh I love a good smoked venison rump roast. Don't get much elk down here but had some at a friends home CO once it was good too.

Mickey D's won't publish what is in their beef the last I heard. Tells me there is something in there I might not want to eat. I grow my own beef but sadly I find myself eating more chicken and fish than beef. Oops, don't let that secret out. Well actually I eat about 40% beef, 40% chicken, 20% fish and pork (the white pork).

mum's the word. :lol:

 

[Frankie]

"I personally have been a vegetairian for the past 15 years, and find it absolutely
disgusting what happens to, and goes into meat. Ugh. I've read in several different
sources that the multi billion dollar meat industry has something to do with the food
pyramid. Everything is about profit in America. Damn the man!! I've heard that if
everyone was a vegetairian, no one would be starving."

this is a statement by a student in my human nutrition class. we are talking about the Food Guide pyramid and the FDA regulations and the gov'ts involvement in it.

thoughts?

It's pretty typical for youngsters to be anti-government, but, yes, I have some comments:

Vegetarians/Vegans like to claim the fact that Britain refuses to accept US beef is "proof" that the growth hormones we use on animals are unhealthy. What they don't say is that the WTO has ruled against Britain more than once because they can't prove the those homones are unhealthy. In fact, their own scientists have said that they can't find any danger. They still refuse our beef, but because of the WTO rulings, we're able to put tarriffs on many goods we import from Britain. There are several websites with info on the WTO rulings against Britain.

Point out that "natural" meats don't have hormones added.

There is plenty of food in the world for every one to have a decent diet. People are starving because of politics and geography. In some countries, dictators refuse to allow outsiders in and some of them deliberately starve their political opposition. Some remote areas are best served by helicoptor. Many US helicoptors that used to use the delivery of food as training exercises now are working in Iraq.

Most beef is raised on land that is unsuitable for cultivation. If my place was ploughed up, it would all wash away. But the cattle can graze and produce food for people who need/want it.

If you're arguing with a vegan and they throw the old "it's not natural to eat meat" argument at you, ask them where they get their B12. The only natural dietary source of B12 is meat.

Ask her where she thinks the organic fertilizers come from to grow organic vegetables. Much of it comes from animal feedlots.

Is it OK for grain farmers to make a profit, but not ranchers?

Here's a link to an NCBA fact sheet with answers to many erroneous vegetarian claims:

http://www.beef.org/documents/Factoid%2 ... 202-03.doc

 

[dj]

ask her if she has a receipe for russian thistle. i'll lower her food costs and she's welcome to it
on the serious side i don't know many veg heads but the two in my blood connected family both had health problems. 1 changed her diet and is doing fine, the other
is still spending big money to find a fix.

personally my teeth were made to rip and grind so i try to do a little of both

 

[Dave]

Something like 80% of "ag land" is only suitable for grazing livestock. Of course counts a lot of that is sorry rangeland but cows are out there on that sorry rangeland and other ground not suitable to tillage converting grass into beef. Run those figures past your class mate and see what they have to say.

Dave

 

[cowgirl580]

good pts all. i'm glad i asked. :nod:

 

[Frankie]

Here's another link you might explore when she starts talking about gross stuff in meat:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html

"The Food Defect Action Levels"
It's the levels of various defects in food allowed by the FDA as "unavoidable" or present no health hazard for humans. But there are some pretty gross things here. For example, if someone likes Apple Butter, here's the listing:


APPLE BUTTER Mold
(AOAC 975.51) Average of mold count is 12% or more
Rodent filth
(AOAC 945.76) Average of 4 or more rodent hairs per 100 grams of apple butter
Insects
(AOAC 945.76) Average of 5 or more whole or equivalent insects (not counting mites, aphids, thrips, or scale insects) per 100 grams of apple butter
DEFECT SOURCE: Mold - post harvest infection. Rodent hair - post harvest and/or processing contamination with animal hair. Whole or equivalent insects - preharvest, and/or post harvest and/or processing insect infestation,
SIGNIFICANCE: Aesthetic

I always ask if they eat insects, can they actually call themselves vegetarians?

 

[cowgirl580]

i wish you would have picked something other than apple butter. i love apple butter jam! you've officially ruined it for me, till next time

 

[flaboy]

Here's another link you might explore when she starts talking about gross stuff in meat:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html

I always ask if they eat insects, can they actually call themselves vegetarians?

That's nasty stuff Frankie. Vegetarians can eat insects I think. It's the Vegan's that don't eat any living thing or something like that. There is a difference.

 

[dun]

I'm a vegetarian too. I just prefer that a cow be the middle man.

dun

 

[Frankie]

i wish you would have picked something other than apple butter. i love apple butter jam! you've officially ruined it for me, till next time

Oops, sorry about that. It's perfectly safe, of course, but a good reference when vegetarians talk about "stuff" being in meat.

BTW, most of those beef factioids that I linked to have a reference built into them. I'd suggest that if you're in a discussion with a vegean/vegetarian, use the built in reference. If you say the info is from the NCBA, they'll claim propaganda and refuse to accept them. For example, I've highlighted the reference below that I use:

Claim: 16 pounds of grain and soybeans are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.

Fact: This estimate is based on the false assumption that beef animals are fed grain diets from birth to market weight. According to the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology (CAST) 1999 Animal Agriculture and Global Food Supply Report, an average of 2.6 pounds of grain is used to produce a pound of beef in developed countries and 3 lb. in developing countries. Animals don’t steal grains destined for the world’s hungry; instead they consume large amounts of food that humans, both poor and rich, wouldn’t touch. This includes forage from marginal land that can’t be cultivated for human foods and food processors’ byproducts such as citrus pulp brewers’ grains, almond hulls and tomato pomace. The soybean product fed to cattle is a meal made of the bean husks, which remain after oil is extracted for human consumption.

 

[Frankie]

Here's another link you might explore when she starts talking about gross stuff in meat:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html

I always ask if they eat insects, can they actually call themselves vegetarians?

That's nasty stuff Frankie. Vegetarians can eat insects I think. It's the Vegan's that don't eat any living thing or something like that. There is a difference.

You're right; there's quite a bit of difference in the two groups. In my experience, vegetarians are pretty much live and let live. They usually give up meat for health reasons, but still consume milk and dairy. Vegans are a whole 'nother ballgame.

 

[cowgirl580]

Here's another link you might explore when she starts talking about gross stuff in meat:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html

i read that blasted sit (skimmed really) and wouldn't you know it, here i am with a peanut butter cookie. decided not to finish reading. :help:

 

[jerry27150]

tell her to check the bible about what she should eat & check with some doctors & she will find a true vegetarian will need something to keep her body healthy

 

[greenwillowherefords]

tell her to check the bible about what she should eat & check with some doctors & she will find a true vegetarian will need something to keep her body healthy

Right!