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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1669857" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>n</p><p></p><p>[USER=694]@Caustic Burno[/USER] . I spent some time down at my client's this week, and the Brahma herd bred to Black Hereford and Chi-Angus bulls have all come in. Love the look of those f1 Black Brafords! His 20 Black Hereford cows that he bred to 2 Brahma bulls also have come in, and YES, those calves were bigger than the BH calves out of the Brahma cows. 8 of the 20 are bull calves, and the foremen said they were probably 10 lbs bigger than the 12 heifer calves at birth. They didn't band these 8, either. He said they were toying with the idea of going ahead and breeding for some 5/8th BH, 3/8th Brahma true Brafords. Those 2 BR bulls were both totally different bloodlines than the Br cows, and each other. And, the 20 BH cows were not closely related to the BH bulls he used on the Brahma cows, so they'd need some of those 8 f1 bulls, if they decided to pursue that route. My guess is, if they can work through the UBB they will probably pursue this project, but if they can't, they won't fool with trying to create yet another registry. And that's ok...down here, at least f1 Brafords have a reputation for being dang excellent momma cows. People could buy commercial f1 black Brafords, and use all the new black bulls, like black Simmental, Simm-Angus, black Limosines and Gelbeivs, etc, for a terminal cross that would produce black calves. </p><p></p><p>He had about 15 or so Chi-angus cows that were bred to the 2 Brahma bulls. It was hard to determine the phenomenon effect, though, as these Chi-Angus cows were varying percentage Angus vs Chianina. The largest calf of these 15 was actually a heifer, out of a Chi-Angus cow that was over 65% Chianina, while some of the others were only 3/8th to 5/16ths Chiangus. The calves out of the Brahma cows sired by the Chi-Angus bull, were more uniform.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1669857, member: 40587"] n [USER=694]@Caustic Burno[/USER] . I spent some time down at my client's this week, and the Brahma herd bred to Black Hereford and Chi-Angus bulls have all come in. Love the look of those f1 Black Brafords! His 20 Black Hereford cows that he bred to 2 Brahma bulls also have come in, and YES, those calves were bigger than the BH calves out of the Brahma cows. 8 of the 20 are bull calves, and the foremen said they were probably 10 lbs bigger than the 12 heifer calves at birth. They didn't band these 8, either. He said they were toying with the idea of going ahead and breeding for some 5/8th BH, 3/8th Brahma true Brafords. Those 2 BR bulls were both totally different bloodlines than the Br cows, and each other. And, the 20 BH cows were not closely related to the BH bulls he used on the Brahma cows, so they'd need some of those 8 f1 bulls, if they decided to pursue that route. My guess is, if they can work through the UBB they will probably pursue this project, but if they can't, they won't fool with trying to create yet another registry. And that's ok...down here, at least f1 Brafords have a reputation for being dang excellent momma cows. People could buy commercial f1 black Brafords, and use all the new black bulls, like black Simmental, Simm-Angus, black Limosines and Gelbeivs, etc, for a terminal cross that would produce black calves. He had about 15 or so Chi-angus cows that were bred to the 2 Brahma bulls. It was hard to determine the phenomenon effect, though, as these Chi-Angus cows were varying percentage Angus vs Chianina. The largest calf of these 15 was actually a heifer, out of a Chi-Angus cow that was over 65% Chianina, while some of the others were only 3/8th to 5/16ths Chiangus. The calves out of the Brahma cows sired by the Chi-Angus bull, were more uniform. [/QUOTE]
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