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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1664057" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Oh, yeah. Between the horns, ears and color, the calves wouldn't bring sh*t around here, though ears aren't so bad on black, polled calves. Since the 80's, though, I have met several ranchers while trading horses and cattle, in south Ga, south Ala, and Fla, that love this cross for momma cows. No calving problems, heat, insect, disease and parasite resistance. And good milkers that raised big ole calves, mostly Angus sired. I don't recall if I saw many horned or scurred calves, though. There well may have been. Most of the time, if I saw anybody doing this cross, it was a longhorn bull put on Brahmas. I guess if I had been a breeder of this cross, I probably would rather have fooled with a herd of Brahmas and 1 LH bull, than a herd of LHs my self, because of working pens, head gates etc. I figured that out west, there may have been more LH cows that someone had put Brahma bulls on, and wondered if you had witnessed the phenomenon in this cross, too.</p><p></p><p>I didn't think that you found the African horned gene in purebred, registered LH cattle. I do know, though, that since the 80's ( and maybe before, I dunno) people would breed LHs and Corrientes, too, with Ankole-Watusi. I guess for looks, the horn shape on these crosses was never conducive to roping, IMO. Back in the 90's I had built up a herd of Corriente, Longhorn, PIney Woods and Fla Crackers.. and various crosses of these, that I bred to Corriente bulls for roping/dogging stock. Toward the end of the 90's, when team roping around here was waning, and penning-sorting became the new fad, I started breeding them to Angus and Brangus bulls. to get penning/sorting cattle. The calves were all black and polled, except for the ones from 3 Watusi-LH and Watusi- Corrientes I had. One of them was 1/2 Corriente, 1/4 LH and 1/4 Watusi. All 3 of these threw horned calves, and some had some color to them., best I recall. I figured it was the AHG, from the Watusi, and I got rid of them. For team penning, you want all 30 to be the same color, or all 30 different colors. You wouldn't want,. for instance, 26 black, 2 Charolais and 2 Herefords in the pen. Or 28 polled and 2 horned, even with all 3 the same color. I even had a half-dozen Corriente- Jerseies ( due to my generosity and a dumb-ass neighbor, but that's another story) . and they always raised big ole polled black calves, too. I'd time it to where these penning/sorting calves were born in November, so I could wean them and start using them in March. When things slowed down in after December, I'd sell those steers and heifers, and they'd be as big as any other commercial Angus or Angus -beef cow crosses, and bring about the same as these would that time a year. Maybe a few cents less, but seeing as how you'd made money supplying the cattle, and the fact that those cows had cost $200-$300..$400 tops, I probably made more on those calves than any other kind I have fooled with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1664057, member: 40587"] Oh, yeah. Between the horns, ears and color, the calves wouldn't bring sh*t around here, though ears aren't so bad on black, polled calves. Since the 80's, though, I have met several ranchers while trading horses and cattle, in south Ga, south Ala, and Fla, that love this cross for momma cows. No calving problems, heat, insect, disease and parasite resistance. And good milkers that raised big ole calves, mostly Angus sired. I don't recall if I saw many horned or scurred calves, though. There well may have been. Most of the time, if I saw anybody doing this cross, it was a longhorn bull put on Brahmas. I guess if I had been a breeder of this cross, I probably would rather have fooled with a herd of Brahmas and 1 LH bull, than a herd of LHs my self, because of working pens, head gates etc. I figured that out west, there may have been more LH cows that someone had put Brahma bulls on, and wondered if you had witnessed the phenomenon in this cross, too. I didn't think that you found the African horned gene in purebred, registered LH cattle. I do know, though, that since the 80's ( and maybe before, I dunno) people would breed LHs and Corrientes, too, with Ankole-Watusi. I guess for looks, the horn shape on these crosses was never conducive to roping, IMO. Back in the 90's I had built up a herd of Corriente, Longhorn, PIney Woods and Fla Crackers.. and various crosses of these, that I bred to Corriente bulls for roping/dogging stock. Toward the end of the 90's, when team roping around here was waning, and penning-sorting became the new fad, I started breeding them to Angus and Brangus bulls. to get penning/sorting cattle. The calves were all black and polled, except for the ones from 3 Watusi-LH and Watusi- Corrientes I had. One of them was 1/2 Corriente, 1/4 LH and 1/4 Watusi. All 3 of these threw horned calves, and some had some color to them., best I recall. I figured it was the AHG, from the Watusi, and I got rid of them. For team penning, you want all 30 to be the same color, or all 30 different colors. You wouldn't want,. for instance, 26 black, 2 Charolais and 2 Herefords in the pen. Or 28 polled and 2 horned, even with all 3 the same color. I even had a half-dozen Corriente- Jerseies ( due to my generosity and a dumb-ass neighbor, but that's another story) . and they always raised big ole polled black calves, too. I'd time it to where these penning/sorting calves were born in November, so I could wean them and start using them in March. When things slowed down in after December, I'd sell those steers and heifers, and they'd be as big as any other commercial Angus or Angus -beef cow crosses, and bring about the same as these would that time a year. Maybe a few cents less, but seeing as how you'd made money supplying the cattle, and the fact that those cows had cost $200-$300..$400 tops, I probably made more on those calves than any other kind I have fooled with. [/QUOTE]
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