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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1664001" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>I hear ya on the F1 bulls and the trailer! And that is only when they somehow escaped being a F1 steer! </p><p></p><p>So with F1 Charbray or Simbrah, you haven't seen any notice able difference, calf-wise, in Br x Char or Simm, vs Char or Simm x Brahma? </p><p></p><p>The only Braham Continental F1s I ever fooled with much, were those Brahma/ Chianina cows. When he was making that Chianina/Brahman/ Longhorn composite, he bred some of his Chianina cows to brahmas, and AI'ed a lot of Brahma cows to his Chianina bull. I never paid any attention to whether the Br x Chi calves were bigger than the Chi- Br ones. When he started selling off these Chianina./Brahma cows to me, they were grown...any where from 2nd to 4th or 5th calf cows. They were all as tall as the Chianina cows he had, and pretty much uniform in size, just a lot beefier, especially in the back end. So I don't know which ones were Br x Chi and which ones were Chi x Br. I had that info at the time, because he'd give a copy of the Chi papers and the Brahma papers with each one. but I never thought about comparing which cross the cows were. But you are right on about that "high bread vinegar" as Murray calls it, when I bred them to Charolais bulls. Damn!!</p><p></p><p>Being in Texas, have you fooled much with Longhorn/Brahma crosses? Just wondered if that Brahma phenomenon was apparent in that cross as well?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1664001, member: 40587"] I hear ya on the F1 bulls and the trailer! And that is only when they somehow escaped being a F1 steer! So with F1 Charbray or Simbrah, you haven't seen any notice able difference, calf-wise, in Br x Char or Simm, vs Char or Simm x Brahma? The only Braham Continental F1s I ever fooled with much, were those Brahma/ Chianina cows. When he was making that Chianina/Brahman/ Longhorn composite, he bred some of his Chianina cows to brahmas, and AI'ed a lot of Brahma cows to his Chianina bull. I never paid any attention to whether the Br x Chi calves were bigger than the Chi- Br ones. When he started selling off these Chianina./Brahma cows to me, they were grown...any where from 2nd to 4th or 5th calf cows. They were all as tall as the Chianina cows he had, and pretty much uniform in size, just a lot beefier, especially in the back end. So I don't know which ones were Br x Chi and which ones were Chi x Br. I had that info at the time, because he'd give a copy of the Chi papers and the Brahma papers with each one. but I never thought about comparing which cross the cows were. But you are right on about that "high bread vinegar" as Murray calls it, when I bred them to Charolais bulls. Damn!! Being in Texas, have you fooled much with Longhorn/Brahma crosses? Just wondered if that Brahma phenomenon was apparent in that cross as well? [/QUOTE]
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