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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1662839" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Yep. I think these guys have a good plan. On another thread, [USER=24816]@Ky hills[/USER] (and I think you were on it too..it was about how here in America there are separate Angus registries for red and black.) commented that the Red angus has retained more of the original Angus characteristics, than the blacks have since they all of a sudden got longer, taller and longer-legged in the 80's. They get about as much for their red steers as they would smokies. These RA-Char have the carcass quality for CAB, so when they breed them to the black Simms, ..which also lends marbling.. these black calves get the certified angus beef label easily. Same with the calves from the Char-RA heifers bred to the Brangus. </p><p></p><p>I can see where the larger frame cows might not pay off for you up there, with the shorter grazing season, and all. I made a LOT of money with those Chianina-Holstrein cows bred to Brangus, and those Chianina-Brahmas bred to Charolais, and these were 2000 lb cows. Or close to it. A big part of that was I paid nothing or next to nothing for them, I admit. Probably the most profitable, was the Criollo cows bred to Angus bulls. Again, the cows were cheap, and weaned off black calves near as big as beef cows bred to Angus. But hell, you could keep them on pastures that a goat would starve on, and 4 of them ate about what 2-3 beef cows did. Or maybe what 1 of those giants ate. Now days I see Corrientes, etc. for sale with Charloais calves, or advertised bred to Charolais bulls, a lot. Not as much as bred to Angus or Brangus, but obviously people aren't having trouble with these little cows and Charolais bulls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1662839, member: 40587"] Yep. I think these guys have a good plan. On another thread, [USER=24816]@Ky hills[/USER] (and I think you were on it too..it was about how here in America there are separate Angus registries for red and black.) commented that the Red angus has retained more of the original Angus characteristics, than the blacks have since they all of a sudden got longer, taller and longer-legged in the 80's. They get about as much for their red steers as they would smokies. These RA-Char have the carcass quality for CAB, so when they breed them to the black Simms, ..which also lends marbling.. these black calves get the certified angus beef label easily. Same with the calves from the Char-RA heifers bred to the Brangus. I can see where the larger frame cows might not pay off for you up there, with the shorter grazing season, and all. I made a LOT of money with those Chianina-Holstrein cows bred to Brangus, and those Chianina-Brahmas bred to Charolais, and these were 2000 lb cows. Or close to it. A big part of that was I paid nothing or next to nothing for them, I admit. Probably the most profitable, was the Criollo cows bred to Angus bulls. Again, the cows were cheap, and weaned off black calves near as big as beef cows bred to Angus. But hell, you could keep them on pastures that a goat would starve on, and 4 of them ate about what 2-3 beef cows did. Or maybe what 1 of those giants ate. Now days I see Corrientes, etc. for sale with Charloais calves, or advertised bred to Charolais bulls, a lot. Not as much as bred to Angus or Brangus, but obviously people aren't having trouble with these little cows and Charolais bulls. [/QUOTE]
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