What the #$%@!!!

[HOSS]

I came home from my seminar today to find that one of my cows calved yesterday. This thing sure looked odd in my pasture. The funny thing is is that this little heifers sire is a homozyogous black Balancer bull :???:

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Here is her momma.....a charolais x limi cow. She has had 3 calves out of this same bull and all have been born a fawnish brown and changed completely black by 3 months old. I am not sure if this one will ever turn 100% black

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

100% black - don't think so. Nice cow/calf pair.

 

[angusdave63]

i agree with jeanne something smells funny but glad it is healthy and going good for you David

 

[sim.-ang.king]

It maybe homo black but you are going to gets some whites if their is any chara.

 

[HOSS]

i agree with jeanne something smells funny but glad it is healthy and going good for you David

No funny smell just wierd. This cow was not exposed to any other bulls. There are no char bulls.....or cows for that matter......within 5 miles of me. I saw her get bred by the Balancer bull and she has calved right on time. I think this time around the char color was just more expressive. I think she will turn out to be a dark gray maybe. Her last calf was born a reddish brown and was solid black by 2 or 3 months old. It started out getting black legs and a black stripe down the back and then black patches around the eyes and then on to solid black. This one.......probably a mouse :lol:

 

[kenny thomas]

Them good white cattle are hard to cover up. :lol2: It happens to me quite a bit with charX cows and homo black simmy bulls.

 

[ga.prime]

Nothing funny going on. A half char cow will often have calves like that out of a homo black bull. I don't know the percent but just guessing from what I've seen in my cows I'd say 25% or 50% of the time.

 

[sizmic]

Homozygous black means homozygous black hided, doesn't it?

Sizmic

 

[kenny thomas]

Homozygous black means homozygous black hided, doesn't it?

Sizmic

Yes, which in most breeds means no red calves. With the charX it is a tossup but they won't be red.

 

[3waycross]

I had 2 commercial cows that were 1/4 Char out of a blk baldie cow(breed makeup unknown) Bot a silver white color. They are full sisters and this year out of a reg RA bull they both threw black calves. One of them has had 2 cream color calves out of the same bull the last 2 years and now a bull calf as black as coal.

Go Figure!

 

[dun]

Homozygous black means homozygous black hided, doesn't it?

Sizmic

Yes, which in most breeds means no red calves. With the charX it is a tossup but they won't be red.

No, what it means is it carrys 2 black genes and will pass a black gene to it's offspring in which case trhe offspring are heterozygous black.

 

[SRBeef]

I like the looks of the cow and calf, but whats that green stuff on the ground????! ;-)

Good to have a live healthy one regardless of color. Congrats.

Jim

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

I was referring to Hoss' remark "I am not sure if this one will ever turn 100% black"
Since the sire was Homo blk, this calf is carrying 1 black gene, but it has been diluted by the diluter gene passed to it by the dam. Since the dam has had true black calves, means the cow is only carrying 1 diluter gene. Every calf will be a flip of the coin, whether it inherits the diluter gene or not. And the diluter gene is dominant over the black gene. It is not dominant over the red gene. I "think" the Charolais diluter gene works the same as the Simmental - but, seems like I remember something "different" about it. I'll try to check that out.

 

[3waycross]

I was referring to Hoss' remark "I am not sure if this one will ever turn 100% black"
Since the sire was Homo blk, this calf is carrying 1 black gene, but it has been diluted by the diluter gene passed to it by the dam. Since the dam has had true black calves, means the cow is only carrying 1 diluter gene. Every calf will be a flip of the coin, whether it inherits the diluter gene or not. And the diluter gene is dominant over the black gene. It is not dominant over the red gene. I "think" the Charolais diluter gene works the same as the Simmental - but, seems like I remember something "different" about it. I'll try to check that out.

Jeanne....read my post again it IS dominant over the RED gene. Neither one of those two sisters ever produced a red calf out of the RA bull they threw, between them, 2 whites and 4 blks. In this case it is the Char gene with something black mixed in.

 

[dieselbeef]

spook??

 

[bigbull338]

hoss are you sure that calf is out of your bull.it could be from your neighbors bull.i know i can tell when our neighbors bull gets with our cows.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

3-Way - no, no, I was referring to some saying that there was something "fishy".
Hoss' calf is a black factored calf diluted - and I was "meaning" she will never be true black - like some of his "mousy" colored calves that ended up black. Nothing "fishy" about this calf's color - just "unicque" :lol:
I get a lot of mousy colored calves at birth that are true blacks. It used to worry me, but doesn't anymore.

 

[double v]

Hoss, sold a guy a homo black bull, he bred to some char influence cows most came out blk but one was white with blk features. The calf was white with blk tipped tail blk around the ears and eyes but stayed white. S**t happens sometimes makes you scratch your head after you think your doing the right thing.

 

[Mat Man]

We bought a white heafer from stock yard.
Dont no any of the bachground of it.
We breed to a Herdford bull.
Guess what color the calf came out???
solid black -go figure

 

[Suzie Q]

We have had two that have been a surprise. All others have been solid or born to herefords so you expect colour.

Two were a surprise.

A charbray bull jumped the fence and bred to a droughtmaster. That heifer (solid cream) was bred to a Bazadais bull who produced Mosaic.

A greyman (Murray Grey x Brahman) has given us quite a few different coloured calves. To the droughtmaster bull a brindle and a black. To the Bazadais bull a complete black and Magpie.