What kind of Bulls will give me waht I am looking for?

[tdarden3k]

Hello All
New to the forum but have read it for years.
Anyway I hope to do the early retirement thing after being with a 300k employee corporation for 30 years and raise livestock again after almost 35 years.

Got my eye on a small herd of Black (Angus type) cows and probably a Polled Hereford bull and I want to raise Baldies. Lots and lots of Baldies

Here's the problem. I will need to keep every suitable female calf for replacement that I can produce for a pretty good while as I will only be starting with about 20 :banana: head. I would like to retain as much of the Black "baldie" look as possible when I start breeding the replacements and get some vigor as well . Any thoughts on types of Bulls to cover the replacements with to make this happen ?
Thanks
Tony

 

[deenranch]

If all you are wanting to do is raise black white faced cattle, then I would breed the replacement heifers to a black white faced simmi bull!!! If all you are wanting it a white face and black hair.

 

[skeeter swatter]

If you want lots and lots of baldies you first need more blacks to put that hereford bull on.

 

[Fire Sweep Ranch]

If all you are wanting to do is raise black white faced cattle, then I would breed the replacement heifers to a black white faced simmi bull!!! If all you are wanting it a white face and black hair.

Buy a good white faced Simmental bull. They throw cute blaze faced calves. If you are wanting to keep heifers, go with a bull that has a strong maternal line. If you want to sell all the calves go with a more terminal bull. Either way you add pounds.
We had our Spring breed sale in Eldon, Missouri yesterday and the prices were very reasonable. No bull was higher than $3300 (and, if I remember correctly, he was a three year old), and all of the bulls looked really good. Our yearling brought $2100, and we were happy with that.

 

[tdarden3k]

Thanks Guys
I should have been a little bit more specific. I personally also like size in cattle. I know they eat a lot and are harder to handle and manage..... but I was wanting a little bigger cow than a Angus or a Hereford. I want some muscle !!!!!!
I have seen a few Simmi Baldies and think that they are nice animals

 

[3waycross]

Thanks Guys
I should have been a little bit more specific. I personally also like size in cattle. I know they eat a lot and are harder to handle and manage..... but I was wanting a little bigger cow than a Angus or a Hereford. I want some muscle !!!!!!
I have seen a few Simmi Baldies and think that they are nice animals

I was going to reccomend a black Gelbvieh bull on some hereford cows then go back on your baldie heifers with an Angus bull but after reading this post i won't waste my time. If your first priority is BIG cows, that eat a lot and are hard to manage, i sure hope you live where you have lots of real good grass, and real good handling facilities.

FWIW the rest of the world is looking for efficient cows that wean a high percentage of their own weight.

 

[3waycross]

I just reread this thread and realize that i just replied to another Cattle Today troll............ :frowns:

 

[AllForage]

Thanks Guys
I should have been a little bit more specific. I personally also like size in cattle. I know they eat a lot and are harder to handle and manage..... but I was wanting a little bigger cow than a Angus or a Hereford. I want some muscle !!!!!!
I have seen a few Simmi Baldies and think that they are nice animals

Why on earth would you want big cows that eat more??? Isn't that what your 3 way terminal cross is for? To put the muscle on? Have you seen the price of feed these days?

It's more about inputs then output.

 

[Fire Sweep Ranch]

I just reread this thread and realize that i just replied to another Cattle Today troll............ :frowns:

OK, enlighten me. What makes it a troll? I am obviously missing something??? :?:

 

[3waycross]

I just reread this thread and realize that i just replied to another Cattle Today troll............ :frowns:

OK, enlighten me. What makes it a troll? I am obviously missing something??? :?:

The whole premise makes little sense. Who in their right mind wants big cows that eat a lot and are hard to handle?

He is just a shyt disturber!

 

[inyati13]

I just reread this thread and realize that i just replied to another Cattle Today troll............ :frowns:

3waycross, I don't know about the "troll", but don't discount that everyone should pursue the popular trend. There are motives for pursuing cattle that do not directly relate to economics. Like this guy, Tony if that is his name, I also got into cattle after 35 years of someone else telling me what to do. I am also fond of large, muscular cattle. I window shop as I drive down the highway and what always catches my eye is big cattle. I almost run off the road when I see that coal black cow with a white blaze down their face. So I share his love for bladies. Now I will strongly part with him on not caring if they are hard to handle. I like very docile cattle and will not keep one for a minute that gives me trouble. But I have some big cows that are easier to handle than some that are smaller. In fact, it is my small ones that do the most jumping in the chute. Since they have not come back to the thread, you may be right about them being a troll. But I would not bet on him being a troll. Consider that you may have stirred some shyt for every Charoais breeder out there. :lol:

 

[JWBrahman]

BrWF or Brahman Baldies are a larger frame well balanced cow.

 

[dieselbeef]

20 hd is lots and lots

 

[3waycross]

I just reread this thread and realize that i just replied to another Cattle Today troll............ :frowns:

3waycross, I don't know about the "troll", but don't discount that everyone should pursue the popular trend. There are motives for pursuing cattle that do not directly relate to economics. Like this guy, Tony if that is his name, I also got into cattle after 35 years of someone else telling me what to do. I am also fond of large, muscular cattle. I window shop as I drive down the highway and what always catches my eye is big cattle. I almost run off the road when I see that coal black cow with a white blaze down their face. So I share his love for bladies. Now I will strongly part with him on not caring if they are hard to handle. I like very docile cattle and will not keep one for a minute that gives me trouble. But I have some big cows that are easier to handle than some that are smaller. In fact, it is my small ones that do the most jumping in the chute. Since they have not come back to the thread, you may be right about them being a troll. But I would not bet on him being a troll. Consider that you may have stirred some shyt for every Charoais breeder out there. :lol:

I seriously doubt that his criteria describes the game plan for the avg Charolais breeder. Like the cattle i raise some of them are above avg in size but they have been breeding for disposition for years and i don't believe size is a major selection tool for them either.
He and YOU may want a herd of behoemoths to look at but if they have to pay their way that criteria would go out the window in a hurry. I have only 2 cows that fit that criteria and i cannot wait to replace them with downsized dtrs. Big is big and inefficient is not a keeper in my book!

 

[inyati13]

3way, Plenty of research to support you on the big cows not being as efficient. I also have a couple of big cows and I think you would agree that 2000 pounds is a big cow. I plan to downsize their place in my herd when the time comes. I was only saying that on an individual by individual basis, people often pursue what holds a special interest to them. That is fine, it is still a free country I hope! But I agree, the industry is headed toward smaller more efficient cattle and this guy may be bucking the trend.

 

[dieselbeef]

i guess the reality of efficiency will set in at the end of the yr....like catlle...itll be either black...or itll be red...

 

[inyati13]

i guess the reality of efficiency will set in at the end of the yr....like catlle...itll be either black...or itll be red...

I think the efficency thing just means you have less of the red. I have gotten out enough to know that few cattleman run in the black when it comes to their taxes. I am surprised how many of them think that is OK.

 

[dieselbeef]

you will sooner or later..or theyll come get their share

 

[tdarden3k]

Been out of town for a few days but I am the originator of the post. By Big cows I am talking 1200 or so. Something less than the size of a Charolais but bigger than your average Angus. Family has 200 acres of cleared land and it will support 100 "Big Cows" plus hay no problem. Also dont want to offend anyone but before I would retire to raising 700 lb, Corriente looking jug-heads (no matter how "efficient" they are) , I would just stay here in the city and buy an RV. :cboy:

 

[tdarden3k]

3way, Plenty of research to support you on the big cows not being as efficient. I also have a couple of big cows and I think you would agree that 2000 pounds is a big cow. I plan to downsize their place in my herd when the time comes. I was only saying that on an individual by individual basis, people often pursue what holds a special interest to them. That is fine, it is still a free country I hope! But I agree, the industry is headed toward smaller more efficient cattle and this guy may be bucking the trend.

Not so much bucking the trend sir, but to each his own. Call it Conspicious Consumption on my part. Research and trends are very important but I would not be happy raising 700 lb goats !!!!!