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<blockquote data-quote="LFF" data-source="post: 814544" data-attributes="member: 1147"><p>Doc may be I'm missing the question to. </p><p>Here's what I do to determine possible bull candiates (AI or natural)</p><p></p><p>1) Spend hours studing pedigrees and any<strong> production records </strong>that I can get my hands on. This includes my cow herd and prospective bulls.</p><p></p><p>2) Determine what I'd like to improve within my own herd and see if the bull should move the calves in the direction that I want to go.</p><p> Often the direction that I've chose is different from many others.</p><p></p><p>3) Visibily appraise the bull and his offspring if available, if it is a young bull with no offspring I have to place emphasis on siblings and his parrents looks and preformance. I know that you can not depend upon a estimated average epd from the parents to be accurate.</p><p></p><p>4) Study the make up of the bulls origination to see if they are the type of cows that you want the bull to be like.</p><p></p><p>5) Go visit the herd if possible.</p><p></p><p>6) Don't buy based on looks at a show.</p><p></p><p>7) Don't buy at a sale based on visual appraisal alone.</p><p></p><p>8) Get to know the breeder, if you don't trust their credibility then don't buy.</p><p></p><p>9) Here say is OK to take in , just add a large amount of salt to the value.</p><p></p><p>These are some of the things I use, however if you don't measure and keep accurate records it make it almost impossible to know where your herd is at. Carcass traits, reproduction statis, and actual weight weaned per cow weight are almost, if not, impossible to determine without measuring.</p><p></p><p>With saying all that I sometimes will take a chance on a bull. Recently a purchased a bull from a breeder that knew little about. The bull was too young to have yearling weight and carcass data on, he was also a ET calf so weaning and birth weight data is unreliable. So why did I buy him? </p><p></p><p>I took a chance...</p><p>I studied his sire and sires daughters production, his dams production (what little there was), and the ancestory on the pedigrees.</p><p>The breeder retained a bull from the dam and uses him in his herd as well as offers semen for AI.</p><p>I studied the retained bulls records.</p><p>I placed emphasis on the breeders desire to retain a semen interest.</p><p>I looked at a vidieo and while others did not see what I saw, it helped me to decide upon a price level and if I wanted to purchase the bull.</p><p></p><p>Am I happy with my decision on this bull?</p><p>Currently YES.</p><p>I've learned more about the breeders reputation and his herd.</p><p>The breeder wants to preform yearling weights and ultrasound measurements.</p><p>He is going to have the bull collected and per his words use him AI on some of his best cows.</p><p></p><p>The ultimate determination was, can I take the chance?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LFF, post: 814544, member: 1147"] Doc may be I'm missing the question to. Here's what I do to determine possible bull candiates (AI or natural) 1) Spend hours studing pedigrees and any[b] production records [/b]that I can get my hands on. This includes my cow herd and prospective bulls. 2) Determine what I'd like to improve within my own herd and see if the bull should move the calves in the direction that I want to go. Often the direction that I've chose is different from many others. 3) Visibily appraise the bull and his offspring if available, if it is a young bull with no offspring I have to place emphasis on siblings and his parrents looks and preformance. I know that you can not depend upon a estimated average epd from the parents to be accurate. 4) Study the make up of the bulls origination to see if they are the type of cows that you want the bull to be like. 5) Go visit the herd if possible. 6) Don't buy based on looks at a show. 7) Don't buy at a sale based on visual appraisal alone. 8) Get to know the breeder, if you don't trust their credibility then don't buy. 9) Here say is OK to take in , just add a large amount of salt to the value. These are some of the things I use, however if you don't measure and keep accurate records it make it almost impossible to know where your herd is at. Carcass traits, reproduction statis, and actual weight weaned per cow weight are almost, if not, impossible to determine without measuring. With saying all that I sometimes will take a chance on a bull. Recently a purchased a bull from a breeder that knew little about. The bull was too young to have yearling weight and carcass data on, he was also a ET calf so weaning and birth weight data is unreliable. So why did I buy him? I took a chance... I studied his sire and sires daughters production, his dams production (what little there was), and the ancestory on the pedigrees. The breeder retained a bull from the dam and uses him in his herd as well as offers semen for AI. I studied the retained bulls records. I placed emphasis on the breeders desire to retain a semen interest. I looked at a vidieo and while others did not see what I saw, it helped me to decide upon a price level and if I wanted to purchase the bull. Am I happy with my decision on this bull? Currently YES. I've learned more about the breeders reputation and his herd. The breeder wants to preform yearling weights and ultrasound measurements. He is going to have the bull collected and per his words use him AI on some of his best cows. The ultimate determination was, can I take the chance? [/QUOTE]
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