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<blockquote data-quote="dph" data-source="post: 144339" data-attributes="member: 2112"><p>Been thinking more about this. I guess it depends on how you want to operate also. My father and I don't golf, we don't drive new pickups, or chore with a new tractor. That frees up some extra money for bulls. It sounds like some have suggested that the extra money spent on a bull should be paid for by the performance of his steers alone when the calves go through the ring. While we expect his steers to perform better, we are betting on much of the return coming on the daugthers we retain and their calves.</p><p></p><p>Not to beat a dead horse, but I will bring this up again. How do you value your replacements? We sell replacement heifer calves at the barn when we sell our steers. They sell well for us, almost as well as the steers did last year. But never, in the 13 years of selling at that barn has a customer ever approached us wanting to know a thing about the bulls they are out of. We want to know where our replacements are coming from, and we will pay a little more to get a little better.</p><p></p><p>Everyone is free to spend what they want. I don't see how anyone else can dictate what is too much or too little. And cost isn't always a good indicator of quality, though often it is.</p><p>Afterall, at any given sale, the better bulls usually bring more than the poorer ones, unless you pick up a "steal."</p><p></p><p>The guys I spoke of earlier are Bill and Shawn Zutavern of Dunning, Neb. They are commercial cowmen. When we left the Broken Bow sale this year they had spent around $64000 on 8 bulls. Grant it, they really have some extra $ coming in with High Prime, but they have always paid for top quality cattle, and I doubt that the average was much higher than before. Some of their commercial bred heifers, 350 of them, will be sold Dec. 5, on Superior, after Summitcrest's two year old bull sale, if anybody would like to tune in. I am curious what kind of premium those cattle will command. Because of the quality of cattle they purchase, and the way they do business, they are building a reputation as one of the top commercial ranches in the country.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't undermine the importance of the cow, but one thing I have heard and said before when this topic comes up is if you want daugthers better than their mothers there is only one way to get there. Females may be the core of your herd, but if you retain your own heifers, like we do, it is the bull, and bull alone that sets the future direction. Buying a good cow herd, but skimping on bulls is like buying that new pickup and skimping on the steering wheel. It isn't going to take you anywhere. IMHO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dph, post: 144339, member: 2112"] Been thinking more about this. I guess it depends on how you want to operate also. My father and I don't golf, we don't drive new pickups, or chore with a new tractor. That frees up some extra money for bulls. It sounds like some have suggested that the extra money spent on a bull should be paid for by the performance of his steers alone when the calves go through the ring. While we expect his steers to perform better, we are betting on much of the return coming on the daugthers we retain and their calves. Not to beat a dead horse, but I will bring this up again. How do you value your replacements? We sell replacement heifer calves at the barn when we sell our steers. They sell well for us, almost as well as the steers did last year. But never, in the 13 years of selling at that barn has a customer ever approached us wanting to know a thing about the bulls they are out of. We want to know where our replacements are coming from, and we will pay a little more to get a little better. Everyone is free to spend what they want. I don't see how anyone else can dictate what is too much or too little. And cost isn't always a good indicator of quality, though often it is. Afterall, at any given sale, the better bulls usually bring more than the poorer ones, unless you pick up a "steal." The guys I spoke of earlier are Bill and Shawn Zutavern of Dunning, Neb. They are commercial cowmen. When we left the Broken Bow sale this year they had spent around $64000 on 8 bulls. Grant it, they really have some extra $ coming in with High Prime, but they have always paid for top quality cattle, and I doubt that the average was much higher than before. Some of their commercial bred heifers, 350 of them, will be sold Dec. 5, on Superior, after Summitcrest's two year old bull sale, if anybody would like to tune in. I am curious what kind of premium those cattle will command. Because of the quality of cattle they purchase, and the way they do business, they are building a reputation as one of the top commercial ranches in the country. It doesn't undermine the importance of the cow, but one thing I have heard and said before when this topic comes up is if you want daugthers better than their mothers there is only one way to get there. Females may be the core of your herd, but if you retain your own heifers, like we do, it is the bull, and bull alone that sets the future direction. Buying a good cow herd, but skimping on bulls is like buying that new pickup and skimping on the steering wheel. It isn't going to take you anywhere. IMHO. [/QUOTE]
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