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<blockquote data-quote="Margonme" data-source="post: 1378856" data-attributes="member: 25776"><p>D2Cat, you deserve a response:</p><p></p><p>Thank you for providing the post regarding the facts of the Jefferson citation of "separation of Church and State". You are correct. I did cut and paste. The issue of worship in government sponsored events and institutions is complex.</p><p></p><p>First, I agree with your post, but the contest I want to have is <strong>not</strong> about the meaning of Jefferson's citation.</p><p></p><p>Second, I agree with CB about the meaning of the first amendment and it's purpose.</p><p></p><p>To state my point again and to focus on the contest:</p><p></p><p><strong>The expressed right to involve others in the exercise of religion in a public state sponsored institution is what is at contest.</strong></p><p></p><p><em>The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled that kids can't pray in school. What the Court has done — and continues to do — is to strike down school-sponsored prayers and devotional exercises as violations of religious liberty.</em></p><p></p><p>When politicians demonize the courts for "banning God from schools", they count on public confusion, JUST LIKE WE ARE HAVING HERE, about the First Amendment distinction between government speech promoting religion, which the establishment clause prohibits, and student speech promoting religion, which the free-exercise and free-speech clauses protect.</p><p></p><p>What should not be confusing to anyone is that the Government (schools are government sponsored) should not be promoting religion of any denomination or doctrine. To do so would place the government in the role of deciding which faith to promote: THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG. It is a violation of religious liberty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Margonme, post: 1378856, member: 25776"] D2Cat, you deserve a response: Thank you for providing the post regarding the facts of the Jefferson citation of "separation of Church and State". You are correct. I did cut and paste. The issue of worship in government sponsored events and institutions is complex. First, I agree with your post, but the contest I want to have is [b]not[/b] about the meaning of Jefferson's citation. Second, I agree with CB about the meaning of the first amendment and it's purpose. To state my point again and to focus on the contest: [b]The expressed right to involve others in the exercise of religion in a public state sponsored institution is what is at contest.[/b] [i]The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled that kids can’t pray in school. What the Court has done — and continues to do — is to strike down school-sponsored prayers and devotional exercises as violations of religious liberty.[/i] When politicians demonize the courts for "banning God from schools", they count on public confusion, JUST LIKE WE ARE HAVING HERE, about the First Amendment distinction between government speech promoting religion, which the establishment clause prohibits, and student speech promoting religion, which the free-exercise and free-speech clauses protect. What should not be confusing to anyone is that the Government (schools are government sponsored) should not be promoting religion of any denomination or doctrine. To do so would place the government in the role of deciding which faith to promote: THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG. It is a violation of religious liberty. [/QUOTE]
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