What About These Ideas?

[greenwillowhereford II]

Perhaps this should just have gone in the Dream Carcass Hereford thread, but what do you think of MC Ranger 9615 and TOF Oak's Victor 218 4125 ET.

Ranger is a proven carcass bull, and if he is still alive as the ads would suggest, he has some 12 year old longevity. His 1999 pic is much more impressive than some of the others which I suppose show him in his older age.

Oaks Victor by the numbers is not a particularly outstanding carcass individual, but he should be good for calving ease, udder quality and forage efficiency, etc. He looks pretty decent to me, and I really like his pedigree. Should have some good milking daughters. As I understand it, the Trask breeding has some roots in Hazletts and Anxiety 4ths, which I consider to be a good thing.

If I had the time and money: Build a cowherd of Ranger, 8020, Farley, and the numerous first class Felton bulls. Divide this herd into thirds; put Richard Day bulls on one, Lents bulls on one, and a couple of the Felton/Victor/Hazlett blend bulls that I have produced on the other. Save the best replacements from each of these and line-breed them.

Still haven't developed pics yet, but I have taken several of this year's calves. I think at this point that they are some of my nicest yet, and IMO the best of the lot is the 77# BW bull calf out of my son's home grown show heifer. This calf is double bred HVH Hudson=MSU Hudson (19H? I believe)=WNH MSU Feltons 5. Also double bred MSU Optimum Z03. He has just a touch of Braxton Giant, with a Dam of Distinction on the maternal side of his sire.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I don't know that I would call ranger a proven carcass bull, he is only a .3 rea and .1 imf. His calves ratio under 100% on his IMF and only 101% on his rea.

 

[CPL]

If I had the time and money: Build a cowherd of Ranger, 8020, Farley, and the numerous first class Felton bulls. Divide this herd into thirds; put Richard Day bulls on one, Lents bulls on one, and a couple of the Felton/Victor/Hazlett blend bulls that I have produced on the other. Save the best replacements from each of these and line-breed them.

Those wouldn't be the bulls on the top of my list, but I could see you having some nice cows with them. I think you could find a better carcass bull (and "calf making" bull) than MC Ranger. I don't know why, but I've never liked him. I would prefer 19D over him anyday. Good luck, your plan looks interesting!

 

[S&S Farms]

[I would prefer 19D over him anyday.

Why? If I am not mistaken 19D had cancer eye removed. If that is true why would you want to further that genetic problem in your herd or the breed. We are trying to clean up the problems not make them worse.

Jeff

 

[CPL]

[I would prefer 19D over him anyday.

Why? If I am not mistaken 19D had cancer eye removed. If that is true why would you want to further that genetic problem in your herd or the breed. We are trying to clean up the problems not make them worse.

Jeff

Hadn't heard that, but the reason I made the comparison was because the two are half siblings and if one was wanting to use the 832W genetics, they could look elsewhere for better results. Personally, those aren't my kind of bulls; so, I would not be using any of them.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Ranger is on the list because of his tenderness rankings. 5 star, and the #1 tenderness reference sire.

These are not necessarily plans....just thoughts. And honestly, I think that for an all-round balanced cowherd with carcass, longevity, udder quality, etc. etc., in a very correct body structure package, a person could just use straight Day genetics as successfully as any out there. And put a Lents bull on some to produce some very interesting offspring. Thickness and muscle from both sides, with the extra yield grade of the Lents, and extra growth of the Hazletts.