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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 2210"><p>> To those who had comments</p><p>> regarding gentle bulls being</p><p>> "pets" or "training</p><p>> bulls to jump into trailers,"</p><p>> etc:</p><p></p><p>> I certainly don't expect every</p><p>> ranch to have gentle bulls that</p><p>> load themselves, nor do I expect</p><p>> every single bull we raise to load</p><p>> himself.</p><p></p><p>> However, we DO cull for</p><p>> disposition and it has paid off</p><p>> over the years. We DO have a</p><p>> working ranch and raise bulls for</p><p>> sale.</p><p></p><p>> We DO NOT "train circus type</p><p>> animals" or anything of the</p><p>> kind. You who bash the concept of</p><p>> bulls (and cows) that are easy to</p><p>> work ought to open up your minds a</p><p>> bit. My way is not the only way,</p><p>> nor is yours.</p><p></p><p>> In our situation, we often load</p><p>> livestock and move them between</p><p>> pastures during the grazing</p><p>> season. Cattle tend to learn some</p><p>> of their habits from watching</p><p>> older animals.</p><p></p><p>> When our bulls load themselves, it</p><p>> is most often when feed is running</p><p>> low in a pasture. Putting a flake</p><p>> or two of hay in the trailer a few</p><p>> times when they're hungry and they</p><p>> seldom are adverse to hopping in</p><p>> and checking out the trailer. The</p><p>> mature bulls seem to know a</p><p>> trailer ride often results in</p><p>> being unloaded into a pasture full</p><p>> of heifers ready to breed.</p><p>> Sometimes they load out of sheer</p><p>> curiousity, and slamming the</p><p>> trailer door before they run back</p><p>> out is the wise thing to do.</p><p></p><p>> Yes, I've chased both bulls and</p><p>> cows in an effort to load them.</p><p>> But, they've never chased me.</p><p>> Well, one crossbred cow did. I</p><p>> fetched the dog, worked her up and</p><p>> down the fence until she learned</p><p>> some respect for humans and dogs,</p><p>> and put her in the freezer a few</p><p>> weeks later.</p><p></p><p>> We ear tag and tattoo calves at</p><p>> birth, either in the corral or in</p><p>> the pasture, and have yet to have</p><p>> one of our cows challenge us.</p><p></p><p>> We never, ever, "pet"</p><p>> our bulls. That is a dangerous</p><p>> practice, in my opinion. I always</p><p>> carry a good sorting stick when</p><p>> entering a bull corral and the dog</p><p>> is outside the pen just in case</p><p>> there's trouble. In a pasture</p><p>> situation, we work on horseback,</p><p>> or on foot with the cowdog. When I</p><p>> fix fence in the bull pasture, the</p><p>> dog is at my side.</p><p></p><p>> Culling for disposition is the</p><p>> first step toward a herd that is</p><p>> easier to handle than most. Using</p><p>> calm methods of handling is</p><p>> another step, as is taking a few</p><p>> minutes to learn to work with the</p><p>> natural instincts of the cow.</p><p></p><p>> The worst cow I ever attempted to</p><p>> AI in my life was a Simmental who</p><p>> was usually moved with a hotshot,</p><p>> and who had had so many large</p><p>> calves in her short breeding</p><p>> history that her insides were full</p><p>> of scar tissue. I like Simmentals.</p><p>> This one was wild in the chute</p><p>> because of the way she had been</p><p>> handled all her life. Her owner</p><p>> has zip when it comes to patience,</p><p>> but is always amazed when he sees</p><p>> me handling our cattle. He</p><p>> "wishes he had time" to</p><p>> move his cattle like I do. Funny.</p><p>> It takes him twice as long to work</p><p>> his herd, ten times the effort,</p><p>> and tons of frustration and</p><p>> cussing.</p><p></p><p>> We work our cows from horseback</p><p>> when gathering in the pasture, we</p><p>> team pen on the weekends, and we</p><p>> use the dog when necessary, but</p><p>> not on a regular basis. Our cows</p><p>> aren't pets by any means, and I</p><p>> have seen our momma cows put more</p><p>> than one cowdog back up on the</p><p>> porch (a friend's dog, not mine).</p><p>> They are easy with humans, but</p><p>> hell on dogs. They protect their</p><p>> babies from predators, but do not</p><p>> see humans as such.</p><p></p><p>Linda, I enjoy reading your posts because they are always informative,well written and helpful.I too love and raise the Murray Grey's. I would appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain (by private email)about the "Grey's".</p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:drmikeandleeann1@earthlink.net">drmikeandleeann1@earthlink.net</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 2210"] > To those who had comments > regarding gentle bulls being > "pets" or "training > bulls to jump into trailers," > etc: > I certainly don't expect every > ranch to have gentle bulls that > load themselves, nor do I expect > every single bull we raise to load > himself. > However, we DO cull for > disposition and it has paid off > over the years. We DO have a > working ranch and raise bulls for > sale. > We DO NOT "train circus type > animals" or anything of the > kind. You who bash the concept of > bulls (and cows) that are easy to > work ought to open up your minds a > bit. My way is not the only way, > nor is yours. > In our situation, we often load > livestock and move them between > pastures during the grazing > season. Cattle tend to learn some > of their habits from watching > older animals. > When our bulls load themselves, it > is most often when feed is running > low in a pasture. Putting a flake > or two of hay in the trailer a few > times when they're hungry and they > seldom are adverse to hopping in > and checking out the trailer. The > mature bulls seem to know a > trailer ride often results in > being unloaded into a pasture full > of heifers ready to breed. > Sometimes they load out of sheer > curiousity, and slamming the > trailer door before they run back > out is the wise thing to do. > Yes, I've chased both bulls and > cows in an effort to load them. > But, they've never chased me. > Well, one crossbred cow did. I > fetched the dog, worked her up and > down the fence until she learned > some respect for humans and dogs, > and put her in the freezer a few > weeks later. > We ear tag and tattoo calves at > birth, either in the corral or in > the pasture, and have yet to have > one of our cows challenge us. > We never, ever, "pet" > our bulls. That is a dangerous > practice, in my opinion. I always > carry a good sorting stick when > entering a bull corral and the dog > is outside the pen just in case > there's trouble. In a pasture > situation, we work on horseback, > or on foot with the cowdog. When I > fix fence in the bull pasture, the > dog is at my side. > Culling for disposition is the > first step toward a herd that is > easier to handle than most. Using > calm methods of handling is > another step, as is taking a few > minutes to learn to work with the > natural instincts of the cow. > The worst cow I ever attempted to > AI in my life was a Simmental who > was usually moved with a hotshot, > and who had had so many large > calves in her short breeding > history that her insides were full > of scar tissue. I like Simmentals. > This one was wild in the chute > because of the way she had been > handled all her life. Her owner > has zip when it comes to patience, > but is always amazed when he sees > me handling our cattle. He > "wishes he had time" to > move his cattle like I do. Funny. > It takes him twice as long to work > his herd, ten times the effort, > and tons of frustration and > cussing. > We work our cows from horseback > when gathering in the pasture, we > team pen on the weekends, and we > use the dog when necessary, but > not on a regular basis. Our cows > aren't pets by any means, and I > have seen our momma cows put more > than one cowdog back up on the > porch (a friend's dog, not mine). > They are easy with humans, but > hell on dogs. They protect their > babies from predators, but do not > see humans as such. Linda, I enjoy reading your posts because they are always informative,well written and helpful.I too love and raise the Murray Grey's. I would appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain (by private email)about the "Grey's". [email=drmikeandleeann1@earthlink.net]drmikeandleeann1@earthlink.net[/email] [/QUOTE]
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