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Larry,
What do you know about vomit toxins? I had never heard of it before and in Ohio it is supposed to be not good this year d/t corn being wet. The feedmill we get corn from does not test for it as of yet. Can it really cause late term abortions in cows? Any other problems? Educate please!
 
Well, I don't know as much as I should, but I do know that the feed companies are starting to formulate binders that should help the problem and my feed guy took a feed sample the other day to see what the levels are. I've been delivering corn to Greenville Ethano for the last couple weeks and they test every load, but we never had a load test over 1 part per million. I know that when they make ethanol or Cargill makes corn syrup that the byproducts have a concentration up to 4 times that of the original corn that was used to make it. I think a lot of the problem came in varieties of corn where the ear stood straight up and never broke over, the husk would fill with water every time it rained, and since it rained every third day eventually it molded. My cousin has a couple thousand sows and they rufused to eat some of that corn, they had to go back and empty all the feeders and bins and find corn with lower levels, they're using the binders now and not having any trouble.
As far as cows slipping their calf over it, I have not heard that. I'm sure that they will consume it fine and if the stuff looks and smells ok I wouldn't be too worried, but it would be better to have it tested. I think the bigger older cattle can handle some of it ok, but I'm more concerned with the lighter cattle, so we're starting to add the binder for the light cattle

Larry
 
Thanks, so what is the binder and where would you get it? Or the name to ask for it?
 
Larry, for beef cattle I beleive you can feed grain testing as high as 10 ppm....2ppm for dairy. Shouldn't have any noticeable problems. There are a number of binders on the market (most officially promoted as something else like "anticaking agent". etc. Most work well...just make sure it's a product that literally bind up and flushes the toxins rather than one that simply try to mask the toxin and above all make sure it will actually bind vomitoxins as most are designed to bind only aflatoxin.
 
TexasBred":b6dlvszz said:
Larry, for beef cattle I beleive you can feed grain testing as high as 10 ppm....2ppm for dairy. Shouldn't have any noticeable problems. There are a number of binders on the market (most officially promoted as something else like "anticaking agent". etc. Most work well...just make sure it's a product that literally bind up and flushes the toxins rather than one that simply try to mask the toxin and above all make sure it will actually bind vomitoxins as most are designed to bind only aflatoxin.
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TB sounds like you've dealt with this before and what I have to wonder is if we've had some of this all along and just didn't catch it. Thanks for the info.

Larry
 
Larry down this way we sometimes have to deal with it but it's not nearly as common up your way. The unusual weather patterns this year is what ruined it for you guys. As long as you can keep you grain at that 1 ppm I wouldn't worry...depressed appetite is most common symptom so as long as they continue to eat normally you're ok. The binder tho is a "better safe than sorry" little expense.
 
So I guess my problem is getting the grain mill to test for it to see how much ppm is in the corn to start with or just add the binder. So except for knowing there is a binder, I still dont know if or how much is in the corn. Thanks for this info
 
Roan":23w16xpc said:
So I guess my problem is getting the grain mill to test for it to see how much ppm is in the corn to start with or just add the binder. So except for knowing there is a binder, I still dont know if or how much is in the corn. Thanks for this info
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Neither does anybody else, I've talked to guys that said they would have one load that looked good and get rejected, and another load that didn't look so good that would go right through. Heard one feller say that he got rejected, went around got back in line with the same load and it went through.

Larry
 
Roan":2tp6k8b7 said:
So I guess my problem is getting the grain mill to test for it to see how much ppm is in the corn to start with or just add the binder. So except for knowing there is a binder, I still dont know if or how much is in the corn. Thanks for this info
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Roan, that is the real problem with this stuff... and even tests for micotoxins is not an exact science. A truck load of corn may have 2 or 3 "hot spots" in it. While probing to get your samples you may miss these spots completely, get great test results and think "all is well" but be sitting on what could end up being a problem. The micotoxin binders will help "to a degree".
 

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